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Re: In place of a legal notice, here is a blessing

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Post by cormacrelf »

sb057 wrote: post #55
cormacrelf wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, no, they can't change history and take back the words they put there 20 years ago, or decide unilaterally that those words actually meant something else. The matter of whether a work has been successfully dedicated to the public domain (and when, and in what jurisdictions) is a matter for a court, not a matter to be arbitrarily decided or revoked at any time by the (at the time) copyright holder. It's a matter of…

>The matter of whether a work has been successfully dedicated to the public domain (and when, and in what jurisdictions) is a matter for a court, not a matter to be arbitrarily decided or revoked at any time by the (at the time) copyright holder. Right, and a judge could rule that, in fact, it is possible to arbitrarily revoke free licensing at any time. >it would be ridiculous for a court to find otherwise You say t…

> Right, and a judge could rule that, in fact, it is possible to arbitrarily revoke free licensing at any time.

On the basis of what law or treaty? First of all, dedication is not "free licensing". It is not licensing in any sense whatsoever. When you dedicate the work, you are no longer the holder, hence public domain is also what works fall into when the author is long dead. I'm not sure what piece of law you'd be re-interpreting to reverse all of that understanding, which would be a precondition to allowing dedicators to retain any control whatsoever over a work that's currently in the public domain.

Your original point was better, if it is ruled that "dedication to the public domain" is not and has never been a real thing, then the original dedications never took effect, and copyright holders remained copyright holders instead of forfeiting all control. Stick to that one.

Re: In place of a legal notice, here is a blessing

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Post by voidfunc »

gojomo wrote: post #56
voidfunc wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree. I'd argue they were the #2 landmark in NYC after The Statue of Liberty at the time. 1. Statue of Liberty, without question. 2. Twin Towers - showed up in just about shot of NYC put into mainstream media from the date of inception until destruction. 3. Empire State Building - Yes it is really recognizable but never got the media exposure of the WTC. After that things get a little muddier. If I'm doing a to…

Of course the Statue of Liberty & Empire State Building were the undisputed 1/2 (in either order) NYC landmarks for many decades before the WTC arrived. The Empire State Building had been the tallest building in the world for almost 40 years, from 1931-1970. It was arrival of the taller WTC twin towers in 1970, & to a lesser extent the proliferation of other midtown skyscrapers, that gradually chipped away at the Emp…

Sorry, should have been clearer - the ESB absolutely held the #2 spot pre-WTC, but the WTC overtook the ESB in attention and recognition mostly due to its prominent featuring in mass media which really ramped up and has been the top cultural export from NY and the US since the 70's.

There wasn't a movie made about NYC that didn't at some point feature the WTC in it either as part of the background shot.

Re: In place of a legal notice, here is a blessing

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Post by voidfunc »

Gunnerhead wrote: post #57
voidfunc wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree. I'd argue they were the #2 landmark in NYC after The Statue of Liberty at the time. 1. Statue of Liberty, without question. 2. Twin Towers - showed up in just about shot of NYC put into mainstream media from the date of inception until destruction. 3. Empire State Building - Yes it is really recognizable but never got the media exposure of the WTC. After that things get a little muddier. If I'm doing a to…

What about post-9/11?

Shift 3-5 up. I don't think the new WTC holds close to the same brand recognition as The Twins.

Personally I'd probably rank the Top-5 post 9/11 as:

1. Statue of Liberty

2. Empire State Building

3. Times Square

4. Rockefeller Center

5. Chrysler Building

There's probably some fair arguments that these other buildings could make the top-5. In particular I think you could possibly swap out one of Rockefeller Center or The Chrysler Building for any of the below.

1. Yankee Stadium (well pretend Old and New are similar enough)

2. The Gugenheim

3. Madison Square Garden (I might be stretching with this one)

Re: In place of a legal notice, here is a blessing

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Post by twelvechairs »

ridaj wrote: post #42
durkie wrote: post #35

I almost feel like SQLite could have documentary made about it at this point. There are so many things about it that are just unique and fascinating.

There is one https://corecursive.com/066-sqlite-with-richard-hipp/ (I liked it)

Thanks for the link I very much enjoyed that

Re: In place of a legal notice, here is a blessing

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Post by swebs »

the_only_law wrote: post #15
graderjs wrote: post #13

I like it when software and spirituality come together. Reminds me of "the temple of God" operating system and I'm sure there's a lot of other developers who have sort of a spiritual or rapture experience. From a way more zany far out and perhaps metaphysical perspective I mean God if he she or they exists really is the ultimate programmer crafting whole realities. Maybe there is an inherent spiritual connection in c…

> Reminds me of "the temple of God" operating system and I'm sure there's a lot of other developers who have sort of a spiritual or rapture experience He was a very intelligent individual who’s life was ruined by mental illness. I’m not sure that’s a good thing.

>who’s life was ruined by mental illness

If some FOIA request decades down the line reveals that the CIA was actually involved, I wouldn't be surprised. MKULTRA happened after all.

Re: In place of a legal notice, here is a blessing

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Post by GlitchMr »

stubish wrote: post #20
DylanSp wrote: post #9

Has anyone heard of any issues using SQLite in jurisdictions without a concept of the public domain? The copyright page [1] seems to imply that you'd need to buy a license from Hwaci. [1] https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html

Everyone is happily using public domain software in all jurisdictions. The timezone code used by many (all?) Linux and Unix distributions is public domain. If you can find a jurisdiction without the explicit concept of the public domain and judges and lawyers that think there is no implicit concept of the public domain and someone who can claim copyright with a straight face to code that explicitly states that the au…

Entrapment can only be committed by government agents.

Re: In place of a legal notice, here is a blessing

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Post by harryvederci »

Zababa wrote: post #51
randerson wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't dispute whether it can be used for good, I'm glad we have these things and I'm also a huge fan of SQLite. But when your system shoots down an enemy (to you) aircraft, how do you reconcile that with: "Do not murder." "Love your neighbor as yourself." "Honor all people." "Do not do to another what you would not have done to yourself." "Do not return evil for evil." "Love your enemies." the list goes on..

According to google, murder: > the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. According to wikipedia: > Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human with malice aforethought. So if the missile was fired by people that are legally allowed to kill other people, "Do not murder" has been respected. > Do not return…

Congratulations, you have now passed law school!

Re: In place of a legal notice, here is a blessing

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Post by Beldin »

cormacrelf wrote: post #61
sb057 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The matter of whether a work has been successfully dedicated to the public domain (and when, and in what jurisdictions) is a matter for a court, not a matter to be arbitrarily decided or revoked at any time by the (at the time) copyright holder. Right, and a judge could rule that, in fact, it is possible to arbitrarily revoke free licensing at any time. >it would be ridiculous for a court to find otherwise You say t…

> Right, and a judge could rule that, in fact, it is possible to arbitrarily revoke free licensing at any time. On the basis of what law or treaty? First of all, dedication is not "free licensing". It is not licensing in any sense whatsoever. When you dedicate the work, you are no longer the holder, hence public domain is also what works fall into when the author is long dead. I'm not sure what piece of law you'd be…

> When you dedicate the work, you are no longer the holder

I wonder how courts know how to distinguish between "I dedicate this work to..."

- "my wonderful husband"

- "my devoted readers"

- "the revolution in $COUNTRY"

- "the public domain".

Or perhaps there's no distinction and you all owe me copyright fees for those worjs dedicated to me as a devoted reader.

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