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Re: Myths about Social Media

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Post by gunfighthacksaw »

rhaksw wrote: post #43

I'm glad to see more of this conversation happening. I made reveddit [1] to provide oversight for secret removals which happen more often than you may think. For example, [2] is an upvoted comment from a mod-verified contributor that was removed, likely without notifying its author. I wish reddit would indicate to the author when their comment has been removed by a moderator. I don't know if that will ever happen. It…

As a dramanaut and troll I salute you good sir. May your internet interactions be only pleasant, may your desk fan blow cool in the summer, and may internet denizens heap praises and blessings upon your name wherever ye go, wherever ye be signed in and whenever ye post.

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rhaksw wrote: post #43

I'm glad to see more of this conversation happening. I made reveddit [1] to provide oversight for secret removals which happen more often than you may think. For example, [2] is an upvoted comment from a mod-verified contributor that was removed, likely without notifying its author. I wish reddit would indicate to the author when their comment has been removed by a moderator. I don't know if that will ever happen. It…

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Re: Myths about Social Media

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[deleted] wrote: post #62
rhaksw wrote: post #43

I'm glad to see more of this conversation happening. I made reveddit [1] to provide oversight for secret removals which happen more often than you may think. For example, [2] is an upvoted comment from a mod-verified contributor that was removed, likely without notifying its author. I wish reddit would indicate to the author when their comment has been removed by a moderator. I don't know if that will ever happen. It…

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Re: Myths about Social Media

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Post by phasnox »

matchagaucho wrote: post #59

The "echo chambers are a myth" statement seems a bit disingenuous to me, and misses the increased algorithmic exposure to hate in social feeds that we otherwise would not see offline.

This.

I did an experiment to make the algorithm think I'm left wing on alternate accounts.

Not to much time passed before my feed was filled with the most hideous and stupid things some "right wing" people did.

It is the same on my primary accounts but the other way around.

No wonder we hate each other.

Re: Myths about Social Media

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Post by pcmoney »

matchagaucho wrote: post #59

The "echo chambers are a myth" statement seems a bit disingenuous to me, and misses the increased algorithmic exposure to hate in social feeds that we otherwise would not see offline.

A lot of research has been done on this. For most people their IRL social circle is a much smaller and stronger bubble than what their online presence is exposed to. Even a classic “echo chamber” online is likely to expose most people to greater diversity of thought than their offline life does.

For more reading on this I suggest “Breaking the Social Media Prism”

Also note: research shows anon accounts tend to result in more nuanced and less partisan discussion.

Re: Myths about Social Media

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Post by pcmoney »

fleddr wrote: post #31

Can't say I'm impressed. It seems plain as day to me that many people are far more hateful online than in real life, mostly under the disguise of anonymity and/or the physical divide. You can say some truly nasty things online that in the physical world would make you wake up in a hospital. There's no real correction mechanism online. I can't believe the research doesn't address the point that some others here are ma…

Most research shows that anonymous accounts actually facilitate more conciliatory and nuanced discussions.

The big issue in social media is that the moderates are attacked by both sides. They are often attacked more viciously by those of their own political persuasion that are even more to the left/right than they are. This especially occurs if they are agreeing at all on any point with “the other”. Obviously this has a substantial chilling and muzzling effect.

Anonymous accounts have less face to lose in the real world if they take a more moderate stance. However, over time even anonymous accounts build social credit with the in-group of whatever ideology they support.

This has many negative effects. One is that politicians get the most visible engagement on their posts from the most extreme followers and so the politicians themselves moved to more extreme positions because they think they don’t have any moderate support. Twitter is not real life.

Re: Myths about Social Media

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Post by rhaksw »

gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #61
rhaksw wrote: post #43

I'm glad to see more of this conversation happening. I made reveddit [1] to provide oversight for secret removals which happen more often than you may think. For example, [2] is an upvoted comment from a mod-verified contributor that was removed, likely without notifying its author. I wish reddit would indicate to the author when their comment has been removed by a moderator. I don't know if that will ever happen. It…

As a dramanaut and troll I salute you good sir. May your internet interactions be only pleasant, may your desk fan blow cool in the summer, and may internet denizens heap praises and blessings upon your name wherever ye go, wherever ye be signed in and whenever ye post.

Thanks. Ironically I think of it as an anti-drama tool. For me, the drama is that removals are very often hidden from their authors, and revealing that puts people back on the same page.

Re: Myths about Social Media

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Post by cowpig »

eatonphil wrote: post #60
AnonHP wrote: post #54

This thread has several issues, with one of them being that author doesn’t call out tech companies whose algorithms are designed to amplify echo chambers as well as hate. But instead he goes on to claim that social media doesn’t create echo chambers. He has some valid points on the causes, but this is poorly and seemingly very narrowly researched or narrated.

Well he linked to his references/research and you don't have links to references/researchs so I'm so far inclined to give him more credit.

I tried to look at his references but they are in small type in on slides that are non-copyable and non-linking.

So in practice, at least for me, the author cited no references.

Re: Myths about Social Media

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Post by JetAlone »

phasnox wrote: post #65
matchagaucho wrote: post #59

The "echo chambers are a myth" statement seems a bit disingenuous to me, and misses the increased algorithmic exposure to hate in social feeds that we otherwise would not see offline.

This. I did an experiment to make the algorithm think I'm left wing on alternate accounts. Not to much time passed before my feed was filled with the most hideous and stupid things some "right wing" people did. It is the same on my primary accounts but the other way around. No wonder we hate each other.

If you continue this experiment, maybe they algorithms will catch on and the recommendations will be tailored to program a split personality into you, so instead of losing influence on one customer, both partisan sides of yourself will become two useful, valuable customers.
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