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Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by yonixw »

gambiting wrote: post #54
yonixw wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, like that disgusting incident on 2005 where they gave up their land... and their control... they are the worst. Who else is at fault to what happened in Gaza? The apartheid of curse. Disgusting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz...

Here's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal: https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...

You do know this is a Conflict? Never denied both parties are fighting. Here is of course the counter list [1]. But while I'm just against the commenter one-siding of the situation. You are trying to make it a one-side crime again... which again... very wrong. Here is a quote just to show how not one sided it is:

[1] "... A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and opposed by 19%"

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence...

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Post by ciphol »

terr-dav wrote: post #51
alphakilo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All Israelis have equal rights, why do you say Israel an apartheid state?

All people residing in Israel do not have equal rights. Why do you think they have equal rights?

That's true in every country. Citizens and noncitizens have unequal rights.

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Post by p1necone »

yonixw wrote: post #55
efdee wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn't that just a roundabout way of describing whataboutism?

Whataboutism has its limits. When the far left, specifically Tankies, and left communities online, are literally being China apologists while calling Israel a genocide-apartheid-colonial country... you kind of know the logic fallacies are the other way around.

That's just 'What about China', with a sprinkling of assuming that the entire left is one homogeneous group. (They're not, and most of the left makes fun of tankies too.)

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

samstave wrote: post #19
Barrin92 wrote: post #17

People used to quip that Prussia is an army with a country rather than the other way around, it seems like if you add the modern intelligence sector that describes Israel. With all the concerns about 'Military-civil fusion ' as it's called in China or Russia I always found it funny that Israel might as well be the country that has merged both spheres most successfully but nobody really seems to care at all.

The venn diag of israel seems to be: Military -- Government -- Corporate/tech -- Religions All seem to be seamlessly aligned within Israel.. -- I mean this is basically what all governments strive for, just that Israel has turned it into an art+science. The amount of amazing technical innovation that comes from israel is quite stunning.

Nah, you need to modify the diagram to take Religions out. The religious establishment considers the military, corporate sector, and non-parliamentary government agencies to be captive to "the seculars", which they basically consider to be evil and devoted to destroying religion. We seculars, in contrast, think we mostly just don't want to give the religious big heaps of free money.

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Post by excuses_ »

In Poland there was a sort of similar story. Politicians from the opposition, lawyers, “difficult” prosecutors have been spied. A few days ago a special commission started investigation but it consists only from opposition politicians. The ruling far-right party pretends this topic does not exist. It’s a farce.

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #4
encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

This should surprise no one since the spyware was developed by Israeli intelligence agencies.

So it would be like domestic law enforcement (the FBI? state patrol?) using NSA-developed spyware, secretly, without court orders, against US citizens, including protestors. Whether this should surprise you I guess depends on your worldview; whether it should alarm or disturb you, especially if you are an Israeli or in Israel, I guess depends on your view of individual rights and the police.

I certainly don't like it, but I'm not surprised by it. I sort of have to file it under people voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party getting terribly shocked and appalled when the leopard eats their face.

Like yeah, you jerks all said it was "smolani masriach boged" (stinking traitor lefty) to not vote for transparently sleazy political parties and their STRONG LEADER. Well, I stuck with my stinking lefty treason and now your guy is facing jail time and my party are in charge of the Health Ministry tackling vaccine distribution. So there.

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Post by chews »

"In other cases, NSO’s spyware was installed in the phone of citizens to try to find and collect data and information that isn’t necessarily connected to an investigation or suspicions but simply for investigators to use this data later on as a means of pressure on people being interrogated."

aka Blackmail

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Post by myth_drannon »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #58
myth_drannon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was not, no matter how the company tries to market itself to foreign clients. Israeli intel has more important work to do than develop software to spy on journalists and others persons of interest for big ego dictators.

Really curious what, even on their terms, is the more important work.

Stuxnet and the likes.

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Post by odiroot »

terr-dav wrote: post #32
mateo1 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people voice their concerns, including a lot of Israelis, but what can you do? Israel is a democracy and the majority votes for far right militaristic candidates and parties. Whether or not you hear about these concerns in public discourse in your country's media depends on your current foreign policy.

It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

[Citation needed]

That's a very bold claim.

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Post by Terry_Roll »

chews wrote: post #67

"In other cases, NSO’s spyware was installed in the phone of citizens to try to find and collect data and information that isn’t necessarily connected to an investigation or suspicions but simply for investigators to use this data later on as a means of pressure on people being interrogated." aka Blackmail

And anyone who thinks their own country isnt doing the same is deluded! The Security Services has to protect a country which means getting involved in everything, organised crime as well as business, and then when they feel things need to change direction, the security services have the tools aka blackmail information to make that change happen... in most cases!
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