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Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by als0 »

pid-1 wrote: post #17
polotics wrote: post #4

Windows 11 is so obviously a no go, games and office was Microsoft's last redoubt for relevance on personal hardware. Here's a prediction: in ten years this company will be smaller and called "Azure"...

I distro hop with my home laptops and use Windows at $JOB I've decided to install Windows 11 preview around June 2021 and have been using it ever since, so I could eventually help my coworkers, validate our workflows etc... I am curious on why people in HN dislike Win 11 so much. For me the upgrade was basically about minor UI changes, which I got used to in 1-2 weeks. I am a sysadmin / cloud whatever and it broke no…

People hate Windows 11 because Microsoft have decided that most hardware, including many powerful workstations, are not eligible to upgrade.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by Arisaka1 »

gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #47
dEnigma wrote: post #36

I also spent quite a lot of time during the Windows 10 preview phase, and a while after release, diligently reporting bugs, and voting on well thought-out feature requests. But after noticing that none of these bugs ever got any attention, and how the Feedback Hub was mostly just noise, I started to wonder why I even did free work for a multi-billion dollar company, on my own time. Right around that period I switched…

Whenever a game I play is released on the Nintendo Switch, I am a little bit happier (eg Diablo 3, Tetris Effect). There’s honestly nothing keeping me in Windows except for video games (which I have less and less time for each year). I’m sort of looking forward to the day I won’t need to play video games on Windows and just be happy with a MacBook and a Linux workstation.

I'm the same. My drive doesn't have enough space so I'm stuck using WSL2 for React/Node development, and I'm waiting for an unreleased game to see how it will perform on Linux before I make my permanent switch.

Every other game I play is on Steam and have decent Proton support, or is a retro game where I can use Retroarch and PCSX2 natively.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by XCabbage »

> somebody at Microsoft edited a critical comment that I made earlier this week to simply read “hello there”, still under my name

Moderators on web forums everywhere need to learn that this kind of editing, when done without a publicly visible indication that the post was edited against the nominal author's will, is unacceptable. I've gotten into this argument on Stack Exchange in the past (although fortunately on Stack Overflow at least the mods already have a policy against this - they can delete a comment or leave it standing but may not put words into someone's mouth). It's especially bad when, as is the case here, the edited comment reflects poorly on the author.

It's not just discourteous, it's a tort in at least the UK where I live (namely a violation of the "moral right" against "false attribution") and likely many other jurisdictions too. Do this enough and eventually somebody sufficiently litigious will sue you, and you'll deserve it.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by matsemann »

> W11 taskbar is missing several key pieces of functionality which have incentivised new users to get into Feedback Hub and cast votes. By far the biggest and most controversial submission is about having multiple documents open in the same app.

Actually the same reason for me to give feedback during W11 beta. Liked the beta as it gave me access to WSLg, but the productivity loss of the taskbar being useless made me roll back to Win10 last week. "Just give it time", even 6 months and I still missed the taskbar actually functioning. Same reason I gave up my Mac (or, one of them).

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by Nextgrid »

e-brake wrote: post #30
suction wrote: post #5

Feedback Hub indeed seems to be useless - because it is designed to act as a sink hole. Yet the topic the author of this article and apparently hundreds of others are describing as a show-stopping miss of Windows 11: The ability to see open documents ungrouped on the task bar. That's not a "bug" which needs to be addressed directly by developers. And really? That alone is a reason to go through a harrowing downgrade…

Completely agree, Microsoft seems more focused on UI polishing than addressing fundamental usability issues hampering productivity with Windows 11. Presenting grouped application windows and trying to parse which one is which, when they all look the same. It's bananas! Unbearable to use. Must be due to bad management decisions, the release was premature and they are still rolling out fixes interminably.

"Polishing" is very generous. "Shitting all over it" would be a more appropriate way to describe Microsoft's UI efforts since Windows 7.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by oblio »

matsemann wrote: post #64

> W11 taskbar is missing several key pieces of functionality which have incentivised new users to get into Feedback Hub and cast votes. By far the biggest and most controversial submission is about having multiple documents open in the same app. Actually the same reason for me to give feedback during W11 beta. Liked the beta as it gave me access to WSLg, but the productivity loss of the taskbar being useless made me…

Wait, that doesn't sound right. You can't have multiple Word documents open at the same time in Windows 11?

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by oblio »

hulitu wrote: post #53
asddubs wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I'm a long time linux user and think windows has been steadily getting worse too, but in reference to your linked comment complaining about "inclusively designed" being a meaningless buzzword - I was confused what it meant too, but reading the actual article the full sentence is: >We’re proud that Windows 11 is the most inclusively designed version of Windows, built with and for people with disabilities. so t…

Windows is not accesible even to people without disdabilities. I have to carefully select the background color or else i will end up with a light text colour on light background or dark text colour on dark background. Or to search half of hour for the cursor in a Word document because Microsoft decided that blinking the cursor is so 80s and the cursor is hidden.

Doesn't Windows have a high contrast mode?

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by oblio »

skc wrote: post #23
polotics wrote: post #4

Windows 11 is so obviously a no go, games and office was Microsoft's last redoubt for relevance on personal hardware. Here's a prediction: in ten years this company will be smaller and called "Azure"...

People have been predicting the demise of Microsoft for going on twenty years now. Gets old frankly. They are incredibly diversified. If anything, they themselves no longer see Windows as the crown jewel, which would explain more than a few HN gripes

Microsoft is more diversified than any of the other big tech companies, except for Amazon.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-big-tech-makes-their-bi...

The previous poster is probably 10+ years behind the news.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by Someone1234 »

oblio wrote: post #66
matsemann wrote: post #64

> W11 taskbar is missing several key pieces of functionality which have incentivised new users to get into Feedback Hub and cast votes. By far the biggest and most controversial submission is about having multiple documents open in the same app. Actually the same reason for me to give feedback during W11 beta. Liked the beta as it gave me access to WSLg, but the productivity loss of the taskbar being useless made me…

Wait, that doesn't sound right. You can't have multiple Word documents open at the same time in Windows 11?

You can in "applications" you cannot in "apps." For example there's no way of opening multiple Settings windows and Teams is still extremely limited.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by iamevn »

oblio wrote: post #66
matsemann wrote: post #64

> W11 taskbar is missing several key pieces of functionality which have incentivised new users to get into Feedback Hub and cast votes. By far the biggest and most controversial submission is about having multiple documents open in the same app. Actually the same reason for me to give feedback during W11 beta. Liked the beta as it gave me access to WSLg, but the productivity loss of the taskbar being useless made me…

Wait, that doesn't sound right. You can't have multiple Word documents open at the same time in Windows 11?

Probably referring to this behavior from TFA:

> Previously you could choose to “never combine” apps so you had one-click access to each document. Now you are required to use two mouse actions to open each.

If you have "foo.txt" and "bar.txt" open in, say, notepad, you get one notepad icon on your taskbar that you click on once to open the list of windows and then once more to actually switch. Previously you could tell windows to never combine the taskbar icons so you'd have two separate icons you could change to in one click.

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