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Re: Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants

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Post by tradesurplus »

serf wrote: post #24
hammock wrote: post #13

Too many "promising" studies like cannabis, vitamin D, chloroquine, ivermectin, etc have been later fact-checked by the CDC as bad science, to rely on anything but the CDC's word (or Fauci). Until the CDC says so I won't believe it. Right now it seems like mass vaccination is our only way out of this pandemic and back to normal.

>Until the CDC says so I won't believe it. I lost that urge after the 'masks are only useful for medical workers' kerfuffle. now, you can explain to me how I lost something in translation, how they didn't mean exactly that , and that I am misinterpreting history -- but then I would counter with 'One of the primary jobs of the CDC is to translate medical advice into something easily consumable for the citizenry they s…

110% this.

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Post by vmception »

incrudible wrote: post #57
vmception wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was the answer. People vocally cynical about the vaccines have always been using a strawman argument, in case you need a refresher a strawman argument requires two things: 1) creating a standard that was never used by the proponents 2) criticizing the made up standard to discredit the proponents on a medical level, it is clear this wasn't to stop the spread, it was to slow the spread as vaccinated infected have…

Fauci himself did claim the vaccinated are "dead ends" to the virus[1]. He dangled the carrot of "herd immunity through vaccination" around but then moved the threshold further and further, even admitting to being dishonest in the process[2]. Of course, we now all know herd immunity with vaccines is impossible and that they do next to nothing to inhibit spread. Perhaps some experts accurately predicted this, but that…

We should make fun of them, instead look at Pzifer, Moderna and the publications around them and other specific vaccines. They are very consistent about their proposed efficacy before they came out, their actual efficacy as they were rolled out, and now their actual decreasing efficacy over time including in the face of other seasonal variants, since we don't have seasonal vaccines.

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Post by tradesurplus »

MikeKusold wrote: post #15
hammock wrote: post #13

Too many "promising" studies like cannabis, vitamin D, chloroquine, ivermectin, etc have been later fact-checked by the CDC as bad science, to rely on anything but the CDC's word (or Fauci). Until the CDC says so I won't believe it. Right now it seems like mass vaccination is our only way out of this pandemic and back to normal.

The American Chemical Society is a pretty reputable source.

Evaluate the methodology first, then the authors, then the publication source; scoring accordingly.

Re: Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants

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Post by rsj_hn »

vmception wrote: post #36
hammock wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They reduce chances of hospitalization by at least an order of magnitude, and the chances of death by even more Want to point out this was your response to the question, "Since the vaccinations are stopping the spread?" in case you wanted to re-read your answer.

That was the answer. People vocally cynical about the vaccines have always been using a strawman argument, in case you need a refresher a strawman argument requires two things: 1) creating a standard that was never used by the proponents 2) criticizing the made up standard to discredit the proponents on a medical level, it is clear this wasn't to stop the spread, it was to slow the spread as vaccinated infected have…

> That was the answer. People vocally cynical about the vaccines have always been using a strawman argument.

No, we were repeatedly told that vaccines prevent both transmission and infection, and anyone trying to cynically rewrite history now is using a strawman argument.

The whole point of the OSHA vaccine mandate was to prevent spread. If it was just a matter of how severe the disease is to you, then there is no rationale for forcing people to take the vaccine or any of these mandates, anymore than there would be a rationale for a mandate to force people to lose weight or exercise more. The AMA said in its amicus brief: "the widespread use of those vaccines is the best way to keep COVID-19 from spreading within workplaces".[3]

Here is Biden: "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."[1]

Here is Fauci: Vaccinated people are "dead ends" for virus[2]

CDC director Rochelle Walensky: "Vaccinated people don't transmit the virus"[4]

[1] https://news.yahoo.com/ap-fact-check-biden-inflates-01184362...

[2] https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-...

[3] https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21A244/206954/2021...

[4] https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-peopl...

Re: Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants

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Post by JPKab »

hammock wrote: post #13

Too many "promising" studies like cannabis, vitamin D, chloroquine, ivermectin, etc have been later fact-checked by the CDC as bad science, to rely on anything but the CDC's word (or Fauci). Until the CDC says so I won't believe it. Right now it seems like mass vaccination is our only way out of this pandemic and back to normal.

You are welcome to outsource your critical thinking skills to the Federal government all you want.

Meanwhile, in most of Europe, previous infection with COVID in the past 365 days (it was 180 days until recently, but was updated due to scientific recommendations) "counts" as "being vaccinated" when it comes to getting a green pass. But the CDC ignores this completely. That's not based on science, but convenience of achieving the policy goal and other reasons that probably are logistical in nature.

It's also ironic that we are in a thread talking about cannabis potentially reducing COVID infection, and you are "appealing to authority" with an organization that, to this day, has cannabis classified as a Schedule 1 narcotic for reasons that have zero to do with science. Cannabis prohibition has been backed up by government funded, incredibly biased studies for decades. Because at the end of the day, scientists aren't going to easily be able to report study results that contradict the current political goals of the entity that funds them. Not unlike scientists working for Big Tobacco, the people paying for the work will have undue influence on steering the results of studies.

Re: Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants

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Post by edmundsauto »

oxymoran wrote: post #39

Anecdote: Wife has had very mild covid for 5-6 days now. Been sharing a bong with her and I have no symptoms. I smoke much more than she does. She is boosted. I stopped after the second dose. Also, I heard somewhere, and I forget where now, that hot smoke could play a role in this, but this study seemed to indicate it was orally bioactive as well. I would assume the in-vivo test wasn’t blowing hot smoke in a test tub…

As another comment mentioned, this was with non carboxylated cannabinoids. If you’re smoking the leaves then it doesn’t really apply to you.

Re: Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants

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Post by netizen-936824 »

diryawish wrote: post #48
mountainriver wrote: post #14

Totally anecdotal but my girlfriend and I recently went to wedding and even with pre testing and everyone vaccinated, a lot of people got Covid. I was super high that night (as most nights) and walked away unscathed. Obviously this could be due to a lot of things but that hasn’t stopped me from rubbing it in all my friends faces. It’s been of the few times in my life where my weed habit looks smart, and I’m loving ev…

I've noticed a correlation between heavy herb smokers and not getting the virus or having mild symptoms. People that primarily do hash haven't had the same benefit, which is kind of weird. This is all anecdotal.

How does THC intoxication change social behaviors? Are you more or less social?

Personally I doubt it was a direct pharmacological effect, but rather a secondary behavioral effect

Re: Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants

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Post by netizen-936824 »

mountainriver wrote: post #14

Totally anecdotal but my girlfriend and I recently went to wedding and even with pre testing and everyone vaccinated, a lot of people got Covid. I was super high that night (as most nights) and walked away unscathed. Obviously this could be due to a lot of things but that hasn’t stopped me from rubbing it in all my friends faces. It’s been of the few times in my life where my weed habit looks smart, and I’m loving ev…

How does THC intoxication change social behaviors? Are you more or less social?

Personally I doubt it was a direct pharmacological effect, but rather a secondary behavioral effect

Re: Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants

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Post by JPKab »

mountainriver wrote: post #14

Totally anecdotal but my girlfriend and I recently went to wedding and even with pre testing and everyone vaccinated, a lot of people got Covid. I was super high that night (as most nights) and walked away unscathed. Obviously this could be due to a lot of things but that hasn’t stopped me from rubbing it in all my friends faces. It’s been of the few times in my life where my weed habit looks smart, and I’m loving ev…

Amusing anecdote of my own:

My wife and I are daily cannabis users. My wife far more than me. She uses it for chronic neuropathy caused by a genetic condition and has a medical card.

We all caught COVID in February of 2021, before we were eligible for vaccination. I was the only one with any form of symptoms (loss my sense of smell) the rest were fully asymptomatic.

My wife and I joked that maybe cannabis could be protective.

Funny enough, I wasn't using much cannabis at all before the pandemic hit. I was 20 lbs heavier than I am now, and decided to start exercising rigorously to get as fit as possible with the expectation that a vaccine was 5 years out and we would all eventually contract the virus. I wanted to reduce my risk as much as possible. As part of my exercise habit, I would consume a 10mg THC/10mg CBD edible every night before going to the gym. I noticed it had bronchodilatory effects, and also made doing tons of cardio more fun on an emotional and mental level.

All of this is anecdotal, and I have zero idea if the weed helped me or not. But I can say with certainty it helped me achieve a level of fitness and reduced body fat that almost certainly mitigated my COVID infection, based on the science around fitness/obesity and it's impact on severity.

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