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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's naturally emergent. It's just another case of a centralized entity making some rules people need to follow or else they get banned. It's not too dissimilar from what would happen on eBay if someone complains about a seller.

What if centralized authories are naturally emergent because individuals demand them?

I'm happy to call it naturally emergent as long as we also call Amazon and eBay's policies naturally emergent, but doing that would be rather vacuous.

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IRL this is called binding arbitration, and it's often opt-out for your ISP and cellphone provider. Most companies prefer this, as it's faster and more efficient than the judicial system.

It's a bit more specific than just being "faster" and "more efficient". There's two main advantages:

First, waiver of class-action rights. This is a big deal because there's a cottage industry of enterprising lawyers who do find a couple main plaintiffs, generate a suit on behalf of a large class against a deep-pocketed defendant, and settle for something around a dollar per class member plus millions in legal fees.

Second is a limitation on discovery and subpoena rights for plaintiffs. In a traditional court setting, you may be allowed to force a company to turn over extensive communication records and other documents, corporate executives to testify or be deposed, and even burden non-party witnesses (eg, part suppliers).

In many jurisdictions, companies that wish to use binding arbitration have to pay the entirety of the significant fees to fund the arbitration system (and in a timely manner). It's still worthwhile for them to do so, even if they aren't tipping the scales of justice one micrometer. With the exact same outcome as a court case, the arbitration fees are fully worth it to avoid discovery, better protect executives from being forced to testify, dodge class-action fishing expeditions, etc.

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Do yourself a favor and demystify the dark web for yourself. Some of the best information is exclusively nestled in forums and marketplaces over there. If you rely on an incentive model of being caught in order to behave, something darknet doesnt offer, that says more about you than anyone else.

I'm curious about the dark web like I am with a lot of technology, but I've always been subject to a (perhaps self-imposed) chilling effect where I fear being "marked" simply for researching the tools. Am I just being paranoid/chicken?

I would say chicken. There’s lists for everything. You’re afraid of lists and havent articulated the consequences.

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Is this anarchism? That being naturally emergent formal processes for things which would normally be handled by the government/legal system.

It ceases to be anarchism the moment it becomes involuntary. Otherwise it's just another system of authority.

The best explanation of anarchy I've heard is by debunking the common view that people think anarchy is when a a disaster happens and a warlord takes over - but it's really when a disaster happens and neighbors start checking on each other to make sure everyone is alright and see if anyone needs help. If the community isn't voluntarily doing it then it isn't anarchy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It ceases to be anarchism the moment it becomes involuntary. Otherwise it's just another system of authority.

Isn’t any system of governance in a given region (geographic, or virtual) involuntary? Unless you just mean “you can leave if you don’t like it,” but that’s true for all systems of governance.

Yes, that is why many anarchists consider government a coercive system and seek alternatives to that coercion. Of course, coercion can't be eliminated, but we can acknowledge the right of legitimate self defense against that coercion.

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Is this anarchism? That being naturally emergent formal processes for things which would normally be handled by the government/legal system.

It ceases to be anarchism the moment it becomes involuntary. Otherwise it's just another system of authority.

I wouldn't describe this as involuntary. The losing party can simply leave (be banished) at any point, rather than face the consequences prescribed by the group. There's no threat of violence or imprisonment, at least as described in this article.

If you take "involuntary" to mean "faced with consequences for one's actions within a group", then maybe it is involuntary, but that's not how the word is used with relation to anarchism as I've seen it.

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I live in NJ where weed is legal but you can't buy it (legally) so we are sort of in a weird spot.

anyway, it makes me really not care about ordering weed on the dark web from CA. if the feds catch it, its an ounce of weed to a residence, they don't care and im not gonna go in front of some federal judge on federal drug crimes. if CA or NJ catch it, its legal there, who cares.

but the site I use uses an escrow system where if you don't get the product or if you aren't satisfied you can file a complaint. i've never used it as i always have gotten what i've ordered but it is pretty odd.

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> Over the past few weeks the FBI, Department of Justice (DOJ), Interpol, and other international law enforcement agencies have worked together to incarcerate and indict ransomware threat actors. Through this effort, millions of dollars in ransom payments have been recovered. yet still, cryptocurrency gets blamed for all the ransomware. nevermind that clearly the law is able to find some course to take, or the unsolv…

Are there any examples of widespread ransomware that demanded payment in cash, gold, or shiny rocks?

I think it was the norm for ransoms to be paid in gold or some kind of physical wealth back in the Y1K era.

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Is this anarchism? That being naturally emergent formal processes for things which would normally be handled by the government/legal system.

Yeah, one might say the anarchists are forming a government.

I wouldn't say so. This is all opt-in, they're not forcing anyone.

This is just a private dispute resolution system, not too dissimilar from what can be offered by private companies on clearnet (think eBay).

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It ceases to be anarchism the moment it becomes involuntary. Otherwise it's just another system of authority.

The best explanation of anarchy I've heard is by debunking the common view that people think anarchy is when a a disaster happens and a warlord takes over - but it's really when a disaster happens and neighbors start checking on each other to make sure everyone is alright and see if anyone needs help. If the community isn't voluntarily doing it then it isn't anarchy

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