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Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by jlawson »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #57
ekianjo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's journalism by selective editing. Fairly widespread practice.

Fairly widespread is undercutting it. It's universal practice. People hold journalists to crazy high standards of integrity and soothsaying, and the older I get the more it boggles the mind that grown adults still cling on to this. Journalists work for private corporations who write things for a target audience to make money. That's all there is to it.

It's not just about money for the journalists themselves. Visit a journalism school and you'll find very few students there looking to maximize their earnings.

It's a lot like other fields such as science or arts. People entering these careers knowlingly accept low pay and/or difficult working conditions in exchange for other kinds of satisfaction. For some it's intellectual curiosity; for others its artistic ambition or applause.

For journalists, it's the psychological satisfication of using political influence to spread their beliefs to others.

The actions of journalists cannot be understood according to a simple profit model. (The actions of their bosses can - they hire journos who will accept low pay, with the implicit exchange that those journos can use the position to satisfy their activist impulses. Fanatics work for cheap.)

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by sverhagen »

nobrains wrote: post #56
iso1210 wrote: post #46

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I was at an election briefing at a large media organisation a few years ago, one of the chief editors told the journalists "We can't stop you using vox pops, but please don't use them much" and that (paraphrasing) "they are usually awful, we know they add color but they detract from the story and become the story" Of course "Person confirming stereotype" attracts clicks and shares, is easy to do, and that's good for…

Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Eventually they'll figure out at what street corner to stand to find people with the leanings they want to film, if they're intent on coloring the reporting. At some point you'll also have to let go and trust the reporter or the outlet they work for, which admittedly is an increasingly challenging decision, these days.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by starfallg »

coldtea wrote: post #30
andriesm wrote: post #10

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It would help if you can list the good facts, especially when it comes to free access of information by citizens, or their desire to swallow up the independence of Hong Kong and Taiwan.

Well, things like the normalization of everyday life (nothing like under Maoism where everybody was paranoid and millions died, people live regular lives, even with the authoritative rule of the party), opening up to businesses, lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty, big health and education access, huge infrastructure updates and development, great technical and scientific progress, becoming the world's number…

>Well, things like the normalization of everyday life (nothing like under Maoism where everybody was paranoid and millions died, people live regular lives, even with the authoritative rule of the party), opening up to businesses, lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty, big health and education access, huge infrastructure updates and development, great technical and scientific progress, becoming the world's number two economy up from being outside even the top 10 30 years ago, and so on.

This is more-or-less how Germany looked like in the 1930s. Really scary that some people don't realise the parallels.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by throw8932894 »

rackjack wrote: post #36
throw8932894 wrote: post #22

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??? The teachings of Confucius, the food, even those big red door decorations with the symbols on them, and so on... are these not things that are still endemic across the mainland? It is simply absurd to claim Chinese culture only survived in "a few small places" in the mainland.

...and also Chinese Wall and Kung-fu...

CCP did everything it could to wipe out old traditions, and replace them with communism and cult of leaders. Latter they realized it is not enough to keep coherent national identity, and started promoting a few symbols they liked from past. The "big red door decorations" is not Chinese culture, it is a small fragment of it.

> It is simply absurd to claim Chinese culture only survived in "a few small places" in the mainland.

I do not claim that. It did not survived at all on mainland. "A few small places" are outside of mainland: Taiwan, Honk Kong, Macau and perhaps Singapore.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by routerl »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #41
routerl wrote: post #7

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Green is the color of the Democratic Progressive Party (currently in power, and the historical anti-KMT (read: anti-authoritarian) party)[0]. Green has thus become the color of the Taiwanese independence movement (i.e. not "Republic of China", but "Republic of Taiwan") Blue is the color of the KMT (former dictator party)[1], whose logo is still the top-left quadrant of the flag of Taiwan[2]. Historically, this party…

How did that takeover happen?

It's a long and fascinating story that involves China firing missiles to affect the outcome of Taiwan's first democratic election, as well as the largest American military action in Asia since the Vietnam War.

In summary, the KMT upholds a "One-China Policy", which makes them a natural ally of the CCP against any Taiwan independence movements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by divbzero »

andriesm wrote: post #10
pingsl wrote: post #2

Quoted post unavailable.

It would help if you can list the good facts, especially when it comes to free access of information by citizens, or their desire to swallow up the independence of Hong Kong and Taiwan.

Just for context, GP’s original comment suggested that people who say they want to be rational or neutral about China are only interested in the bad facts about China, an attitude that leads to more misunderstanding. Sibling comments here have taken a generous attempt at assuming good faith and listing some good facts.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by platinumrad »

throw8932894 wrote: post #64
rackjack wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

??? The teachings of Confucius, the food, even those big red door decorations with the symbols on them, and so on... are these not things that are still endemic across the mainland? It is simply absurd to claim Chinese culture only survived in "a few small places" in the mainland.

...and also Chinese Wall and Kung-fu... CCP did everything it could to wipe out old traditions, and replace them with communism and cult of leaders. Latter they realized it is not enough to keep coherent national identity, and started promoting a few symbols they liked from past. The "big red door decorations" is not Chinese culture, it is a small fragment of it. > It is simply absurd to claim Chinese culture only su…

> I do not claim that. It did not survived at all on mainland.

So your claim is even more absurd. I guess that language they're speaking on the mainland must be French then?

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Post by moritonal »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #55
laurieg wrote: post #27

I once interpreted for a crew recording "man on the street" interviews. I had no experience working in TV, I was a last minute replacement. At the beginning of the day, the producer listed the opinions he wanted to get. "Ok, we'll get a middle aged guy who says this, a younger couple saying something along these lines". He knew exactly what he wanted at the start of the day. There were three camera crews working most…

I was once interviewed for a national TV channel about the security of open and proprietary systems. Since I wanted to present a balanced view, I started with a disclaimer, saying that open source can not be equated with a higher level of security by itself, but then I proceeded to present a couple of arguments about the advantages of open systems, and I specifically stressed the need for crucial communications compo…

Makes you understand the strange verbiage politicians communicate with a little, doesn't it?

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by goldcd »

laurieg wrote: post #27

I once interpreted for a crew recording "man on the street" interviews. I had no experience working in TV, I was a last minute replacement. At the beginning of the day, the producer listed the opinions he wanted to get. "Ok, we'll get a middle aged guy who says this, a younger couple saying something along these lines". He knew exactly what he wanted at the start of the day. There were three camera crews working most…

Yep

Like articles with embedded twitter/reddit posts in them. Sure it gives a primary source for whatever topic/view you want to support - but aside from "one person might think this" is pretty irrelevant.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by threatofrain »

ekianjo wrote: post #31
laurieg wrote: post #27

I once interpreted for a crew recording "man on the street" interviews. I had no experience working in TV, I was a last minute replacement. At the beginning of the day, the producer listed the opinions he wanted to get. "Ok, we'll get a middle aged guy who says this, a younger couple saying something along these lines". He knew exactly what he wanted at the start of the day. There were three camera crews working most…

It's journalism by selective editing. Fairly widespread practice.

The article is accusing Asian Boss of something different - planting a YouTuber for the appearance of an impromptu interview about Taiwan.
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