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Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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>344 single points of failure How can a system have more that one single point of failure?

If you're in a car being held above the ground by a chain, every single link is a potential single-point of failure.

Contrast a chain with double links, where if any link fails another is entirely capable of holding the load.

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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If you're in a car being held above the ground by a chain, every single link is a potential single-point of failure.

A system may be implemted as a set of cooperating microservices each one being a (single) point if failure of the entire system.

Like many Node dependencies

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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Yup! If the universe's age were a single year, we're looking back to January 6th. Truly remarkable. :)

what prevents us from seeing back any further?

Disclaimer: not a cosmologist. We can see back further with other instruments, just there's less to see.

The universe's history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe#/me...

- We can see the cosmic microwave background (CMB), the earliest photons after the big bang still observable. This is ~14 minutes into Jan 1 if the whole age of the universe is a year. Satellites like the WMAP have done a great job of that.

- The dark ages that follow had few photon sources.

- JWST will be observing the earliest stars following that era.

There's a proposed radio telescope (that would have to be on the far side of the moon!) to observe neutral hydrogen photon emissions from the dark ages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_Radio_Explorer

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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For those not up on the project, what are some of the earliest novel types of information we expect to receive from it?

One of the more interesting things that we'll get is data about what's in the atmosphere of exoplanets https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/science/origins.html Note that the next 5 months or so will consist of mirror cooling and calibration, so nothing until summer.

This one was really interesting to me because this kind of observation didn't exist when JWST was being specced out. We didn't know there were that many exoplanets around that we'd want to look at.

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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For some context around what makes this deployment so remarkable, watch this[0] video that talks about the engineering/building aspects of the James Webb [0] https://youtu.be/aICaAEXDJQQ

Thank you, this is great, have been looking unsuccessfully for technical content like this.

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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I wonder when it can start observing.

It'll take a few weeks after L2 insertion to cool the components and another 5 months to calibrate the instruments.

I'm hoping that the 5 months of calibration time is one of those where the engineers were asked "how long", so they thought about it and then padded the shit out of it, then the PMs took that number and padded it yet again. After all that, it only takes a few weeks. It'll be the first milestone JWST would meet early, so not too likely. We've only waited decades, so a few more months isn't that bad. At least it is off the ground now!

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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One of the big numbers that been thrown around is that JWST has 344 single points of failure in its mission. Now that deployment has been completed, is there somewhere that lists how many of those points we have passed?

> Mike Menzel: 49 of the 344 single point failures remain and will remain throughout the mission. They are the same types of things on every mission, like propulsion. 15 are related to the instruments.

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1479900221131964421

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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Yup! If the universe's age were a single year, we're looking back to January 6th. Truly remarkable. :)

what prevents us from seeing back any further?

There were maybe 100 million years after the big bang with no star formation. Darkness. Here's a page about that era as it relates to Webb: https://webb.nasa.gov/content/science/firstLight.html

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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One of the big numbers that been thrown around is that JWST has 344 single points of failure in its mission. Now that deployment has been completed, is there somewhere that lists how many of those points we have passed?

>344 single points of failure How can a system have more that one single point of failure?

Airliners are designed so that no single failure can bring it down.

Re: James Webb is fully deployed

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>344 single points of failure How can a system have more that one single point of failure?

If you're in a car being held above the ground by a chain, every single link is a potential single-point of failure.

In a real chain, only one link is actually the weakest, and it is at that link where the chain will break, in the hypothetical you offer.
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