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Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#61

"Sorry, OldWeb.today can not run in this emulator in your current browser. Please try the latest version of Chrome or Firefox to use this emulator. " Wow, it really does feel like using an old browser. (Safari Version 15.2 (17612.3.6.1.6))

Absurd.

Most of the time I think it is just dev laziness.

Can anyone tell us which web feature is blocking the compatibility with Safari?

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#62

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

> Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse

Yes they can emulate a whole OS. It's browsing at what they suck. Seconds wasted for TLS handshake, seconds wasted on downloading MB of JS, then realizing content is missing, another TLS handshake, another download, then some ads, some tracking scripts and finaly the page is displayed. Of course if you don't use Chrome or Google DNS you will be penalized. And don't forget to accept all cookies.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#65
Oh wow. I wasn't expecting it to actually load and emulate an entire OS in my browser. It's an actual full OS too, with finder/explorer fully working. I thought it would be something like a proxy + web archive.

I chose geocities as of 1996. It booted mac os 7. Then IE threw an error at me. Then I entered google.com to the URL bar out of curiosity, thinking it would load actual modern google. Only to be greeted with "Google Search Engine Prototype". Lol.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#66

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

> I don't want to just blindly blame JS. Look at this page! JS can be amazing! And I love stuff like Figma (as it's so fast and optimized).

I agree with your point, but I have to point out that Figma is mostly built on C++/WASM.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#67

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

You can also say this of software in general including operating systems. Sure, the hardware and network are a miracle. My 2 cents is that there is so much software to be written that most programmers are mediocre at what they do and/or their working environment makes it even more difficult to create efficient software systems. Similar correlations to Government.

Hardware and networks get the easy stuff, it's just moving lots of data around. Software is where all the messy human stuff happens. So naturally it's a reflection of human beings. Ie messy.

I'd say all the software on earth is done cheap. Quality doesn't really matter for most projects. Where it does matter, if there's money it happens.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#68

"Sorry, OldWeb.today can not run in this emulator in your current browser. Please try the latest version of Chrome or Firefox to use this emulator. " Wow, it really does feel like using an old browser. (Safari Version 15.2 (17612.3.6.1.6))

Same message in FF 78, but works after reloading the page and choosing Ruffle (Flash).

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#69
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does tracking and advertising take so much time to load and display? I would not really mind ads and being tracked if it didn't make internet sometimes literally unusable? "bloated frameworks"... I remember when React was touted as "faster than native DOM"! Which didn't make much sense even back then, because you need to do the things in actual DOM too... but... there was always the push of speed So where is the…

Consider typical Medium blog post. If by chance you block certain actions, you'll see it spin ridiculous amount of CPU, trying to sent tracking data all the time over graphql. Some tracking systems injected (often without developer involvement, using so-called tag managers) will send your mouse position and clicks. Through tag managers, you can easily end up loading 50 different scripts, often compiled with attendant…

I guess.

The fact is, modern javascript is FAST. And with http3, and compression, you can make things load really REALLY fast. Much faster than in 1994!

And you have things like tree shaking where you can make the js tiny. Not speaking about wasm, that’s even faster, or putting things to web workers. Modern CSS is so easy to use. And of course CDNs are nowadays all around the globe. Chrome debugging tools are pretty good to debug slowness.

What I am saying by long way and repeating… it’s easier than ever to make a fast website!!! I know first hand, I made some websites recently, with really heavy logic on the FE in JS.

So why are all these websites so slow… ugh.

The tools are there! It’s not like it is inscrutable.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#70

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

> I don't want to just blindly blame JS. Look at this page! JS can be amazing! And I love stuff like Figma (as it's so fast and optimized). I agree with your point, but I have to point out that Figma is mostly built on C++/WASM.

ah ok, did not know that
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