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Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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I will never forget that the Christchurch shooting video was automatically deleted from users' PRIVATE Google Drive and Dropbox - no warnings were given and no explanation was presented.

Perhaps I'm sensitive as a NZer, but would you feel the same if the deleted document was a plan for a nuclear weapon etc? Though while giving a warning is clearly inappropriate, they should certainly have explained what they did.

Yes, I would feel the same if the deleted document was a plan for a nuclear weapon.

If it is not shared with anyone, why should a cloud provider get to decide what I can and can't store?

I want to be able to use that storage as an extension of my local hard drives/SSD's with the ease of use of accessing it between different devices. I still consider it my data.

That those bits and bytes happen to represent a document for a nuclear weapon shouldn't matter.

Now if you were to ask if I believe people should store a video of the Christchurch shooter? No, I full-heartedly believe its kind of sick that someone would want to store/archive that, but I don't want a cloud provider making that decision.

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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I will never forget that the Christchurch shooting video was automatically deleted from users' PRIVATE Google Drive and Dropbox - no warnings were given and no explanation was presented.

Perhaps I'm sensitive as a NZer, but would you feel the same if the deleted document was a plan for a nuclear weapon etc? Though while giving a warning is clearly inappropriate, they should certainly have explained what they did.

Video of a tragedy, while deplorable, is not on the same planet as plans for a nuclear weapon. Are you also of the opinion that thing like live leak should not exist/be accessible?

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Ironically, craping the web can result in termination of your account: “we reasonably believe that your conduct causes harm or liability to a user, third party, or Google — for example, by hacking, phishing, harassing, spamming, misleading others, or scraping content that doesn’t belong to you”

> scraping content that doesn’t belong to you Oh the irony, Google. It doesn't belong to you either.

Given that a search engine needs to scrape the whole web to exist, I can't understand how they can stand against a user scraping unrelated third-parties, like it's some sort of grand evil they need to stand up against.

Talk about a pot calling the kettle black. I can't believe they put that in their terms.

For future reference: https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en#suspending-access

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if in the future we'll need a "unique-inize" app that will make trivial changes to pictures and videos that change their hash and their size by a few bytes to defeat this kind of nonsense. Changing even one pixel's hue on one frame by a small amount should make the whole thing encode (depending on codec) to a different size and hash.

There are other kinds of hashes besides cryptographic hashes, which tolerate differences, e.g. you can change things around and still get the same hash. This is what Apple does (or rather did) for their cloud scanner. Then there are other non-hash methods, similar to how Shazam determines a song in a noisy room. Poles, zeros, FFTs, there are many other strategies that are fault-tolerant.

Sure but it becomes an arms race. There is also a lot of people that have shown that you can make images of dogs and cats that hash to Apple's hash detector. At some point a white hat is going to start making memes that cause hash collisions. When 300M all violate some hash trigger, it will cause a stir and restart the game.

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I will never forget that the Christchurch shooting video was automatically deleted from users' PRIVATE Google Drive and Dropbox - no warnings were given and no explanation was presented.

Perhaps I'm sensitive as a NZer, but would you feel the same if the deleted document was a plan for a nuclear weapon etc? Though while giving a warning is clearly inappropriate, they should certainly have explained what they did.

The video of the christchurch shooter is a primary source for a historical event, in the same way that combat footage is.

When primary sources are not available to the public then lies have the same footing as truth.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps I'm sensitive as a NZer, but would you feel the same if the deleted document was a plan for a nuclear weapon etc? Though while giving a warning is clearly inappropriate, they should certainly have explained what they did.

Yes, I would feel the same if the deleted document was a plan for a nuclear weapon. If it is not shared with anyone, why should a cloud provider get to decide what I can and can't store? I want to be able to use that storage as an extension of my local hard drives/SSD's with the ease of use of accessing it between different devices. I still consider it my data. That those bits and bytes happen to represent a document…

it remains their property on which you store your preciousness

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Honestly? I'm fine with this: You're using space on their servers - This is the very definition of cloud imo. It's also a decent solution rather than just dropping the banhammer and locking your account so you can't then get your files out of their system. If you're concerned about it, encrypt your files before uploading them.

If you're concerned about it, encrypt your files before uploading them.

Have fun explaining to your grandmother how she has to encrypt and decrypt her family photos so that yet another bad Google "algorithm" doesn't delete everything she holds dear because of a copyright troll.

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I will never forget that the Christchurch shooting video was automatically deleted from users' PRIVATE Google Drive and Dropbox - no warnings were given and no explanation was presented.

That eliminate both options for journalists and lawyers. There are professions which could have legitimate reasons for having the material and as terrible as it is, is it actually illegal?
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