Is the RBI deliberately trying to handicap credit cards in India? The decision to make recurring payments impossible, followed by having to enter card information every time I do an online transaction is making for a very frustrating experience. The justification for these decisions is always "consumer interest" but how is making consumers jump through hoops to do transact online in consumer interest? I wish the indu…
So the order doesn’t prohibit tokenizing or saving cards, it specifies who can save them. Earlier, merchants could save the details, and this ability leads to massive amounts of fraud and theft (see US right now). Then only regulated payment aggregators could save them, and issue a token to the merchants. Stealing the token wasn’t too helpful because you couldn’t grab the money, the token was tied to the merchant. Bu…
Indian online merchants cannot store credit card information from 2022
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Re: Indian online merchants cannot store credit card information from 2022
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indian merchants have to support UPI - another payment mechanism which is secure. I tend to use that in most places so that I dont have to store my card details.
Do you have to use your cellphone number to avail UPI services? If that is the case, then it is not for me.
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#63Is the RBI deliberately trying to handicap credit cards in India? The decision to make recurring payments impossible, followed by having to enter card information every time I do an online transaction is making for a very frustrating experience. The justification for these decisions is always "consumer interest" but how is making consumers jump through hoops to do transact online in consumer interest? I wish the indu…
If you'd bother to read the article (or heck the first two lines of the article) you'll see that this rule does not mean you'll have to re-enter your credit card info on every order.
> Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."
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#64Something I learned in college - not all countries have the same laws as the US where it's easy to dispute a charge and the burden of proof is with the merchant. If India is one of those places where the burden of proof is on the customer, and it's difficult to dispute charges, it makes sense to tokenize things.
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#65Disclosure: I work for a fintech in India, specialized in card payment. It seems here people see this rule as "merchants can't store card numbers any more". This is actually a lot more than that, this is the new rule: you cannot store card numbers for recurring payment. Even if you are PCI-DSS compliant. Even if you are audited by the RBI. Even if you're sponsored by a bank. The only way to store a Visa number is to…
I don't agree with your interpretation on this being a stealth tactic but even if this was one it's just the state institutions acting in the interest of their mandate. This might not be beneficial to you employer or Visa or MasterCard or few high flying credit card users of the super rich class but it is in the interest of the people. If they think it's time to move beyond cards due to the strategic overdependence o…
Is there any evidence that the RBI actually thinks this? You seemingly criticise GP on their inference of an ulterior motive but then posit your own ulterior motive.
Re: Indian online merchants cannot store credit card information from 2022
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
> To use card tokens for any kind of payment, you need to integrate with some kind of card data vault, which this rule seems to also prohibit. Why would you need that? The rule says nobody can store "actual card data". If you're using the token for a new payment, you don't retrieve the card number, you use the token directly. > It seems to be instructing the card brands to issue unique tokens for ever cardholder + me…
That number needs to be mapped to the PAN, and somebody has to have stored that PAN somewhere in order for it to be used to process payment. This rule says nobody other than the issuer and the card brands are allowed to store the PAN.
To quote the article linked above, "The central bank said the facility of tokenisation shall be offered by TSPs only for the cards issued by/affiliated to them."
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#67This is actually a good thing. Think of it like Apple's email masking service - Merchants can only store a tokenized version of your credit card instead of the real card details. I say this is a good thing after having worked with many E-Commerce shops in India as a consultant. Most of them barely know a thing about security, let alone about PCI DSS compliance. I have worked with shops that stored the entire credit c…
This is not a racist thing. So don't disagree because it hurts someone else's assumed feelings.
There is a significant gap in that sort of knowledge there.
Re: Indian online merchants cannot store credit card information from 2022
#68This is actually a good thing. Think of it like Apple's email masking service - Merchants can only store a tokenized version of your credit card instead of the real card details. I say this is a good thing after having worked with many E-Commerce shops in India as a consultant. Most of them barely know a thing about security, let alone about PCI DSS compliance. I have worked with shops that stored the entire credit c…
Re: Indian online merchants cannot store credit card information from 2022
#69This is actually a good thing. Think of it like Apple's email masking service - Merchants can only store a tokenized version of your credit card instead of the real card details. I say this is a good thing after having worked with many E-Commerce shops in India as a consultant. Most of them barely know a thing about security, let alone about PCI DSS compliance. I have worked with shops that stored the entire credit c…
And yet people still think hiring Indian software and IT engineers is a good idea. This is not a racist thing. So don't disagree because it hurts someone else's assumed feelings. There is a significant gap in that sort of knowledge there.
Re: Indian online merchants cannot store credit card information from 2022
#70Is the RBI deliberately trying to handicap credit cards in India? The decision to make recurring payments impossible, followed by having to enter card information every time I do an online transaction is making for a very frustrating experience. The justification for these decisions is always "consumer interest" but how is making consumers jump through hoops to do transact online in consumer interest? I wish the indu…