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Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Unless you have medical exemption, it's just a jab in the arm?

For many people, it's more than just a jab, it's 1-3 days of being quite unwell. I have no underlying health conditions, but I've been bedridden by my 2nd shot and booster shots, with a high fever, fatigue, dizziness, and aches for at least 48 hours. My partner who is immuno-compromised is worse off, generally being very ill for 1-2 weeks after each jab. Her case is somewhat different though, as her situation is just…

The pro vaccination camp has been more annoying than the antivaxers - at least the nutjobs are easy to filter out, it takes soo long to wade through the bullshit when it's veiled as facts.

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1. Force people into draconian measures that won't stop infection and violate their rights. 2. Convince them that it's necessary to stop the pandemic without giving any arguments. 3. Have them defend your measures in public forums and feel very smart.

1. Early messaging was muddled. We all know now that the vaccine lessens health impacts.

2. Not having an entire generation and their aggregated centuries of experience wiped out is probably beneficial for the future of a society.

3. I am vaccinated and am going to get a booster this week because I am very smart.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

Funny how now 3rd world countries have more freedom than 1st world countries due to covid. Places like Brazil, some countries in Africa, Belarus. A few exceptions are Sweden, Texas and Florida. I wish I had the money to move to one of those 3 (I might land a job soon that might allow me to move to Florida very soon). Might be able to spend 6 months in Florida and 6 months in Brazil, maybe a couple of months in my hom…

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Funny since the entire joke about going to Somalia to live in a free country has been a thing for roughly 30 years

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

We should have thought about that when we were invading and toppling every single ecosystem out there. WHO and others were warning time and again but nothing changed. We (as a civilisation) brought this to ourselves and we have to weather it out as best as we can. So far science/vaccines/meds are the best bet. If they fcuk it up (say an mRNA batch goes really bad) then all hell will break loose. Still mandatory vacci…

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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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> This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. “all civil rights” meaning you have full civil rights but can't force a private company to give you a job when you refuse to follow safety rules? Especially in a country where employers pay for healthcare it doesn't seem unreasonable to require a safe,…

If we eventually define "civil rights" to mean "you have the right to stay inside your home and order everything on Amazon", we have a serious problem. That's where this is going. It goes way beyond the decisions of an individual company. Regarding the status quo: Yes, mandates exist. The school example is a piece of paper you turn into the school office during enrollment and no one ever thinks about it again. It's n…

If nobody wants you around because you refuse to follow safety rules then sure, you’re gonna have a bad time.

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At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one? On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).

Accusations of Racism. Only 28% of young black people in New York are vaccinated as of October, for example. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-bl... Edit: Added "young" adjective that was missing, point remains.

> Only 28% of black people in New York are vaccinated […]

This is not what the article you’ve cited says.

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Let's see how far you get walking around completely naked. My guess is about 2 to 3 city blocks. Your civil rights have always been constrained to protect both the safety and sensibilities of those around you. It's the cost of an increasingly crowded planet full of people who also have rights .

In my country, there are places where everybody goes naked all the time. Not sure if people live their all year round, or if it is only for holidays.

Those places are not, for example, shopping malls.

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>We were promised this wouldn't happen by our governments last year right? We were promised that a company can't require a vaccine as a condition of employment? Seeing as some companies have required vaccines for as long as there have been vaccines, I think I must be misunderstanding you. >Why are private companies stuck policing these absurd policies? Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees l…

> Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees less likely to miss work due to illness. Then if I don't want to get a vaccine, I'll sign an agreement that if I get sick and miss work, I don't get paid, and that's the end of it.

Which just leads to employees coming while sick, which is a pretty bad non-solution.

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>We were promised this wouldn't happen by our governments last year right? We were promised that a company can't require a vaccine as a condition of employment? Seeing as some companies have required vaccines for as long as there have been vaccines, I think I must be misunderstanding you. >Why are private companies stuck policing these absurd policies? Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees l…

> Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees less likely to miss work due to illness. Then if I don't want to get a vaccine, I'll sign an agreement that if I get sick and miss work, I don't get paid, and that's the end of it.

When I miss work, it costs the company much more than my salary. Otherwise what would be the point of hiring me, if I cost exactly as much as what the value I bring to the company?

And that's not even accounting for the fact that if you get sick, you might infect others in your company.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Does anybody know what exactly their rules are, as the article doesn't actually say? Do they mandate people be vaccinated, or just that they upload their status. Or can they work from home and only have to be vaccinated to be allowed into the office?

Sounds like they are able to apply for religious exemptions so I’m not sure what the issue is here

What religion would come handy? Does the Flying Spaghetti Monster say you should not be vaccinated? I would expect them to require some proof of religious affiliation.
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