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Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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> Bukele came onstage to an animation of beaming down from a flying saucer and outlined his plans for Bitcoin City: a new charter city to be built from scratch, centered on bitcoin mining—and powered by a volcano. Bitcoin City would be paid for with the issuance of $1 billion in “volcano bonds,” starting in mid-2022. The 10-year volcano bonds would pay 6.5 percent annual interest. $500 million of the bond revenue wou…

Matt Levine had a good take on it: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-22/be-car... (TL;DR: it's a good marketing play targeting people who want this to be a thing, it's actually better to buy "normal" El Salvador bonds and invest in Bitcoin yourself: the normal bonds give better interest and you'd get the full gains from the bitcoin profit, not just a share)

How can institutions that have obligations for performance but limitations in what they can buy get exposure to Butcoin?

For normal people this bond doesn't make sense (except for the residence that they get), but regulated institutions may want a piece of it. We'll see.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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I’m exhausted by cryptocurrency. There’s a kernel of neat tech innovation and a reasonable argument about monetary policy obliterated by an avalanche of greed, hype, fraud, and magical thinking.

The most innovative part of crypto is how it encourages "normal" people to become personally financially invested in promoting it.

"Mary Kay for men."

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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Agenda? Hit-piece? Are people allowed to have opinions any more, allowed to draw conclusions and take a side? As if Albert Einstein authored anti-quantum hit-pieces, had a classical physics agenda (or choose any other contentious issue in history where people had divided opinions).

In his opening paragraph, he calls a sitting president a con artist. The first "source" he cites is his own article, written only a few days after the law passed, already calling it a failure. I don't care which "side" you're on, it's a stretch to call this news. The real shame is that if the article were less biased, it would never have made it this high on the front page.

> The first "source" he cites is his own article, written only a few days after the law passed, already calling it a failure.

And then proceeds to cite over 10 outside sources. Why don't you just point out why you think the piece is wrong?

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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Color me shocked that a globalist website advocates against Bitcoin in an alarmist "news" story.

I'm sorry, but to me, Bitcoin sounds like a globalist wet dream.

Besides, I find if wired when people use globalist like some sort of insult. As if wanting the whole world to be better and more connected is a bad thing.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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From the article: > More than 91 percent of Salvadorans want dollars, not bitcoins. The official Chivo payment system was unreliable at launch in September—the kiss of death for a new system. Users joined for the $30 signup bonus, spent it or cashed it out, then didn’t use Chivo again.

9% adoption rate in 2 months for something optional is amazing. It takes time for people to learn to use it, as it's very different from the traditional banking system.

it doesn't mean 9% adoption though. I bet a large part of these 9% are still using $, maybe even exclusively.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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Didn't El Salvador just announce that bitcoin is legal tender a few months ago? Isn't it a bit soon to declare that it failed? Especially considering the state of El Salvador's fiat.

What does it mean for Bitcoin to fail? Failed to do what and why? Sure, if you do a BTC USD, then BTC is volatile, but if BTC is on its own, then is it?

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While David Gerard has been very critical of El Salvador ( and mostly Bukele), he is giving information/insights about it, that you won't see elsewhere. I wouldn't dismiss it as a hit piece. He's obviously spending a lot of time researching what's happening in El Salvador with the Chivo wallet. As far as i checked/found, all the information he gave, is factually correct. But yes, he is very critical of the usage of C…

Is this the same Gerard who has a bizarre hatred for Scott Alexander and harasses anyone on twitter who talks about him?

He's pretty open about it that he's opinionated and he mentions it:

> (I must note that Alexander and I know each other a bit, and don’t have a high opinion of each other — so read this post with a dash of salt. I won’t use his surname here, ‘cos this post isn’t really about him. Though Alexander is a slight crypto fan.) [LessWrong]

https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2020/07/03/coindesks-ne...

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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Didn't El Salvador just announce that bitcoin is legal tender a few months ago? Isn't it a bit soon to declare that it failed? Especially considering the state of El Salvador's fiat.

> Especially considering the state of El Salvador's fiat.

What does this mean? They have dollarized, they don't have a currency.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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> The official Chivo payment system was unreliable at launch in September—the kiss of death for a new system. Users joined for the $30 signup bonus, spent it or cashed it out, then didn’t use Chivo again. The system completely failed to check new users’ photos, relying solely on their national identity card number and date of birth; massive identity fraud to steal signup bonuses ensued.

Is this Bitcoin's fault?

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With respect, do you see currencies just consed up out of thin air as free of the avalanche of negatives you mentioned?

No crypto asset is currency or will be currency. They're tradable assets, not unlike Beanie Babies. And I don't see fiat that way because: 1. I use if every day. It's widely usable as currency, it's inflationary, and its value doesn't fluctuate wildly. 2. Fiat only ever promised to fix the problems with gold, and it did that (in the US and Europe at least). It didn't ride a wave of hype that it couldn't live up to. 3…

There’s plenty of fiat criticism outside of crypto, maybe you are in a bubble of neoliberalism
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