Why is this on here? What's the significance and should have kept the missing date from the post title
EDIT: As for the date, the article was published for Kropotkin's birthday apparently.
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Why is this on here? What's the significance and should have kept the missing date from the post title
EDIT: As for the date, the article was published for Kropotkin's birthday apparently.
Worlds Collide. I did not expect to see something from crimethinc on Hacker News. Any other xvx tech people please say hello.
Same here. Thought the crimethinc cult died with GWBs presidency. They definitely disappeared from the punk scene (for the better)
Not aware of inter-group shenanigans so feel free to elaborate, but some Crimethinc publications (like "To change everything") have been very popular in the anarchist punk scene in some places i've visited across Europe in the past 10 years.
More lately, two articles of theirs were widely-enough shared that they reached my ears without the help of my RSS feed reader:
- https://crimethinc.com/2020/04/10/and-after-the-virus-the-pe...
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Yes and I also find the term “libertarian communist” useful to describe him (and myself).
Those two things seem at odds to me.. how do you consider yourself both libertarian and communist?
But there have always been communists who want to organize production communally using purely voluntary means. I want to get together with other people like me and build and operate a “means of production” we control as I believe it is in our benefit to do so. But I have no interest in and explicitly oppose using force to coerce anyone into participating.
That’s exactly what Peter Kropotkin thought too, way back in the late 1800’s. I am opposite from authoritarian communists who believe that a powerful state should be used to force communism on people. I, like Kropotkin, oppose that.
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Those two things seem at odds to me.. how do you consider yourself both libertarian and communist?
Then you might be delighted to find out that the aristocrat Oscar Wilde took that one step further and even considered himself both hedonist and (libertarian-)socialist. Much odds!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soul_of_Man_Under_Socialis...
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Libertarian became co-opted to mean the modern “right-libertarian” only in the 1960s; before that it basically meant anarchist.
Which has even less to do with communism though.
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Yes and I also find the term “libertarian communist” useful to describe him (and myself).
Those two things seem at odds to me.. how do you consider yourself both libertarian and communist?
The common understanding of communism used to be (and still is in many cultures/circles) the redistribution/decentralization of power and resources. The February "revolution" in 1917 in Russia was famously very decentralized with "soviets" (base assemblies) popping up everywhere (as trade unions, as local councils, etc) and organizing from the bottom up without a central authority. That is, until the october revolution during which Lenin and Trotsky and their power-hungry friends started literally hunting down all the anarcho-communists with their secret police in order to build their State-capitalist dystopia.
If you're curious about more details about anarcho-communism and its varied history, I would recommend Emma Goldman's autobiography (which goes into great lengths about propaganda vs reality in bolshevik Russia) or Martha Ackelsberg's account of the Spanish revolution (1936) "Free women of spain". There's of course a lot more to be read on that topic if you're curious, but i found these two books to be very broad introductions to anarchism although they don't cover all the topics that intersect with anarchist politics (eg. anti-colonialism).
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Those two things seem at odds to me.. how do you consider yourself both libertarian and communist?
Libertarian became co-opted to mean the modern “right-libertarian” only in the 1960s; before that it basically meant anarchist.
So yes in the english-speaking world since the 50s/60s with Hayek and Randt) "libertarian" started to take a capitalist meaning. But it's worth noting that this doesn't expand to other parts of the world: in french-speaking cultures the capitalist libertarian movement is almost non-existent, and we use the distinct "libertarien-ne" word borrowed back from english for when we actually need to the american movement: "libertaire" certainly refers to the anti-authoritarian anticapitalist movement to this day.
[0] Yeah if you believe France is the country of human rights, that's just a myth. The 3rd republic had the same slogan (Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité) and flag (the Paris red & blue holding tight the royalist white) than the 5th, yet had widespread slavery and apartheid (following the "code de l'Indigénat") and women had no civil rights. French public schools was famously established in the 1880s as a means to expand the French colonial empire's reach. Don't even get me started on how broken/racist the 5th republic (since De Gaulle) is! :)
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Libertarian became co-opted to mean the modern “right-libertarian” only in the 1960s; before that it basically meant anarchist.
Which has even less to do with communism though.
As history has shown, reestablishing the old forms of power (centralized State, political police, prisons, work) for the sake of the revolution didn't help to achieve any communism ever (USSR was profoundly anti-communist beyond the appearances: the secret police fought against all self-organized communes like Cronstadt or the peasant soviets of Ukraine). That's why anarchists to this day refer to marxism-leninism (what capitalists call "communism") as State-capitalism: it has the same structures and power balance than capitalism, with the difference that power is held not by the bourgeoisie but by a so-called avant-garde. But for the common people, the situation is very similar, as the promised Stateless/classless society is nowhere to be seen.
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Kropotkin was an anarchist and generally opposed to communism. Wars have been fought over the distinction.
You are overstating the opposition. Kropotkin was generally friendly with Lenin and met with him shortly before their deaths where they were quite cordial though they disagreed, and he did return to the Russia while it was ruled by the bolsheviks. While he did think the Bolsheviks would not achieve communism because of the over-centralization of their rule, he still supported their goals and thought the October revol…
Cordial yes. But he was not "friendly" and did not "cooperate". Famously, Kropotkin could not be hurt by Lenin as he was a very popular figure and hurting him would have strongly destabilized his power. So he tried to bribe him with public money, which Kropotkin refused because it was handed out as a privilege for him specifically and not a fundamental right for all. So he ended up dying in misery in a small cabin in the woods.
Emma Goldman's autobiography contains some accounts of this story.