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Better for your wallet, but worse for the job. The company changes. The type of people it attracts to leadership roles are not the kind of people you’d start a company with. They bring their “processes and methods” that they promise will scale the company and then they insulate themselves by hiring their friends to report to them. The culture is corrupt at this point and the technologists that built the company begin…
That seems… cynical. The sorts of processes and. Management needed for a larger company are different than those at a small one. You need more process. There’s no way around it.
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#62Hah, no IPO bump. Does anyone know any detail about their deal with their bank? https://www.google.com/finance/quote/HCP:NASDAQ?sa=X&ved=2ah...
Could you explain what you mean by this? From their launch at 80, they pretty quickly went up to ~90, then dropped back to 83-84, which is up a few percent for the day. What sort of bump do you expect? (Legitimately, I'm not familiar with this sort of thing)
One obvious problem with a pop is that it implies your stock was sold too cheaply and you could have raised more money for the same shares. However, your IPO investors love it.
Direct Listings are IPO alternatives that are sometimes purported to solve IPO pops.
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Only if the company is looking to really raise a lot of money in the IPO. The bump and later positive price movements benefits employees and founders a lot, therefore helps in retention and lower compensation costs for new employees etc and also investors who sell .
How does a bump help employees/founders? Don't they have some fixed number of shares?
If an employee joins with ISOs based on a $40 share price, and the market price is $35 or $15 a quarter or two later, it is bad for morale. A bump, even a small one, means everyone is “in the black”, which is good for morale.
Once employees are transitioned to RSUs, it’s less of a concern, because they’re still making money, just less money. It’s a big concern for ISOs granted close to an IPO, though.
This is why some companies switch to RSUs within a year or so of an expected IPO date.
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That seems… cynical. The sorts of processes and. Management needed for a larger company are different than those at a small one. You need more process. There’s no way around it.
It may be cynical but it's also totally true.. I've personally gone through this whole cycle two separate times from smallish company -> private sale -> IPO shortly after. (~30th engineer in one and 11yrs, then day-one for the other and 7yrs). Say you joined a company relatively early. If you're still around years later by an IPO, you probably liked that early environment where you had low-to-no management overhead,…
But you're 2 months away from an early RSU grant from vesting you a few hundred thousands dollars on top of the ISO's you haven't cashed out yet. But eventually the right opportunity comes your way and everyone is shocked you're leaving like you were when a legendary person left 6 months earlier. You take a pay cut and probably worse benefits and more ISO's than you could imagine to join that series a or b startup you connected with as soulmates and it's going to be OK.
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#65Other then cashing in equity has anyone found that a IPO has made a place better or worse for the employees? Big fan of Hashicorp products btw
We had an all-night hackathon the night before (one of the hacks was to wire into the "Nasdaq bell" button to post an opengraph story) and the whole company was mostly in a "stay focused and keep shipping" mode.
The leadership team shared a few funny jokes each week at the all-hands events leading up to it talking about the roadshow but prep work for the IPO was mostly framed as "this thing we've got to do" and not as some kind of goal. The company was overwhelming focused on the work at hand.
Overall the IPO was cool and I'm sure for many momentus, but as a somewhat newly acquired employee it was mostly a non-event and no one made me feel like I'd missed out by not joining earlier. Everyone was really just starting to feel comfortable at the newish physical HQ and morale was generally high. Most if not all the internal chatter was around the idea that "this journey is 1% finished" and at least everyone I knew there was in "let's do this and move on" mode.
Mark had publicly committed to not selling any shares for at least a year so no one thought he was going to bail or anything.
The stock price then proceeded to fall from $30's to the $10's and despite the on-paper financial hit for many of us it was kind of validating that "those silly people in wallstreet still don't get it" and that we weren't at the end of anything, we were still at the beginning.
As FB then consistently grew for the next 9 years to nearly $400/share there was still plenty of upside so there wasn't much of a pre-IPO vs. post-IPO tribal thing going on either.
In short, the culture was never built around "let's get this thing to IPO" so it wasn't really impacted negatively by reaching that milestone.
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i think gp is asking about 'as a service' part.
I'll pick TFE because Nomad doesn't exist as a service. Audit trails, authorization, authentication, sentry rules (don't allow devs to open a public port for example), centralized automation (plans executed in order), dedicated build agents. That's a few reasons why we used TFE at Capital One.
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#67Hah, no IPO bump. Does anyone know any detail about their deal with their bank? https://www.google.com/finance/quote/HCP:NASDAQ?sa=X&ved=2ah...
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#68I think Hashicorp will enter monitoring next. Netdata would be a great fit (OSS, fat agent, huge metric granularity, deep infra and network insights)
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Only if the company is looking to really raise a lot of money in the IPO. The bump and later positive price movements benefits employees and founders a lot, therefore helps in retention and lower compensation costs for new employees etc and also investors who sell .
How does a bump help employees/founders? Don't they have some fixed number of shares?
So with a large bump (like 100% on Snowflake for example), you defer a lot of tax to the future. And if you hold out 1 year until selling, you change a lot of that gain from income into long term capital gains (which has a lower tax rate)
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#70Don’t understand why anyone would need their cloud products. Who needs Terraform or Nomad or Vault as a service?