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Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

#61

GitHub Actions uses VMs. Not sure how they, and not Amazon, were able to pull this off. That subject is sensitive and reportedly under NDA. https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/issues/2604#...

Hope the NDA they referred to didn't have a clause about "not acknowledging the existence of the NDA" that many do. :D

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

#62
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The 24 hour minimum pricing model for these really sucks. My understanding is that this is a condition of Apple's license to Amazon to run macOS on these machines, and I can't work out why they'd do it.

I do not understand why Apple hates developers. There are many developers that need Mac machines for CI/CD, but Apple doesn't provide any reasonable solution.

Apple hates it's users. Why should devs be any different?

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

#63

I have an slightly-off-topic question: If I want to test that my opensource project builds and runs on MacOS, what's the cheapest way for me to do this? AWS seems like a fairly expensive way do this at $15 USD per day

Scaleway has them for €2.4/day.

€49/month at Hetzner.

https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-apple

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

#64

It’s an interesting look at AWS pricing since the cost of the M1 Mac Mini ($699) and it’s power consumption (avg 26 watts) are known. Based on hardware costs (significant) and power costs (insignificant) you’re looking at a hardware ROI at about 6 months from the $.65 per hour price. AWS has an estimated 60% gross profit margin, so from there it’s probably possible to estimate some other interesting things about thei…

"EC2 M1 Mac instances are powered by...The Mac mini, featuring M1 SoC with 8 CPU cores, 8 GPU cores, 16 GiB of memory"

So not $699, but $899, since it's 16GB of memory.

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

#65

It’s an interesting look at AWS pricing since the cost of the M1 Mac Mini ($699) and it’s power consumption (avg 26 watts) are known. Based on hardware costs (significant) and power costs (insignificant) you’re looking at a hardware ROI at about 6 months from the $.65 per hour price. AWS has an estimated 60% gross profit margin, so from there it’s probably possible to estimate some other interesting things about thei…

W8 what >>> 699/(24*0.65) 44.80769230769231 days Nitro card obviously costs a bit, but for ROI on mac itself is closer to 6 weeks than 6 months ;)

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Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

#67

It’s an interesting look at AWS pricing since the cost of the M1 Mac Mini ($699) and it’s power consumption (avg 26 watts) are known. Based on hardware costs (significant) and power costs (insignificant) you’re looking at a hardware ROI at about 6 months from the $.65 per hour price. AWS has an estimated 60% gross profit margin, so from there it’s probably possible to estimate some other interesting things about thei…

W8 what >>> 699/(24*0.65) 44.80769230769231 days Nitro card obviously costs a bit, but for ROI on mac itself is closer to 6 weeks than 6 months ;)

> 699/(24*0.65) * proportion of hours the product is unused

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, there's still a lot of unknowns. The cost and power consumption of the nitro hardware to translate from the mac mini to everything else being the main one. They're also likely pricing in some form of opportunity cost since the density of physical macs per unit rack space is almost certainly lower than the density of typical server hardware.

The space question is interesting. The most common Mac mini rack mount enclosure holds 2 minis in 1ru. I think at amazon's scale they could probably get 4 minis in 1ru with some custom cooling. how dense do you think instances are on average in the amazon datacenters?

>The most common Mac mini rack mount enclosure holds 2 minis in 1ru

That sounds wasteful to me. Is that really the most common way for mac hosting companies to do it?

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

#69

GitHub Actions uses VMs. Not sure how they, and not Amazon, were able to pull this off. That subject is sensitive and reportedly under NDA. https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/issues/2604#...

It's obviously under NDA. I don't even understand why someone would open up this issue. How is Github complying with Mac os license? The obvious answer is that Github worked something out with Apple, that would then be secret. Github (Microsoft) has many lawyers under their employ that would have looked at this, said if their implementation breaks the license, or they came up with an alternative license with Apple. It seems weird that people jump up to gotcha questions between two $Trillion corps.

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

#70

GitHub Actions uses VMs. Not sure how they, and not Amazon, were able to pull this off. That subject is sensitive and reportedly under NDA. https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/issues/2604#...

> Not sure how they, and not Amazon Pure speculation, but Microsoft and Apple have long standing working relationship, in a way that Amazon just doesn't have.

Amazon and Apple do have a long and storied relationship, featuring both collusion and competition:

1. https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/30/21348108/apple-amazon-pri...

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Apple_Inc.

3. https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/9/18079340/amazon-apple-iph...

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