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Re: Moving to Texas

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Post by betwixthewires »

threatofrain wrote: post #14
m_a_g wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate? I'm not from the U.S but I'm curious.

Texas is extremely hostile to abortion or legislation to fund matters related to reproductive health.

To be fair, in Texas you can get access to all forms of birth control and family planning except abortions, and even then they're available very early in a pregnancy, in most cases you can get access to these services for free all over the state.

Texas and a lot of more conservative states are hostile to abortions, but hostility to other forms of birth control and family planning are really a myth at this point that was true in a previous era but no longer true at all.

Re: Moving to Texas

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Post by rossdavidh »

howinteresting wrote: post #11
mnd999 wrote: post #5

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The article does touch on abortions, but brushes it off in a way that I found rather shocking given the gravity of the situation.

20+ year Texas resident here. The abortion law was, I believe, mostly passed in order to attempt to keep progressives from moving to Texas. The state legislature and governor know that it is most likely to be struck down by the courts. Therefore, it will be gone and out of the way before the next election, so they don't face much of a backlash, but it may keep a bunch of Californian Democrats who might otherwise move here and vote, from moving here. On the other hand, any Californian Republicans who move here, they would like to get, because Texas has been moving from deep red to purplish red in recent years. It's still for sure a right-leaning state, but an influx of Democratic voters, while small compared to the existing population, could well be enough to tip the balance in a Democratic-favorable year.

Re: Moving to Texas

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Post by troupe »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #21
mnd999 wrote: post #5

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*progressive/liberal woman. To be fair, I believe Conservatives of female persuasion would find it a reasonably comfortable place (I may disagree with that perspective, but we should ignore / pretend it doesn't exist at out peril. 76mil votes for Trump 2020 were not all cast by males. On more personal / closer to home note, a number of my exes would agree with Texas laws more than their/our own Ontario laws and cultu…

As someone who routinely crosses state lines, I can't imagine what type of situation would make the need to get an abortion such a common occurrence that it would be the sole factor in deciding what state you'd live in.

Re: Moving to Texas

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Post by finite_jest »

evan_ wrote: post #43
NikolaNovak wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*progressive/liberal woman. To be fair, I believe Conservatives of female persuasion would find it a reasonably comfortable place (I may disagree with that perspective, but we should ignore / pretend it doesn't exist at out peril. 76mil votes for Trump 2020 were not all cast by males. On more personal / closer to home note, a number of my exes would agree with Texas laws more than their/our own Ontario laws and cultu…

Women have life-threatening complications at the same rate regardless of their political beliefs.

From Wikipedia [1]: "The act contains exceptions in the case of medical emergency but not for rape or incest."

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Texas_Heartbeat_A...

Re: Moving to Texas

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Post by spamizbad »

tomatofarmer wrote: post #37
m_a_g wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate? I'm not from the U.S but I'm curious.

The poster needs the ability to terminate any unplanned pregnancies that may occur

The way the Texas law is written it impacts anyone who helps facilitate terminating a pregnancy. Simply walking your friend into an abortion clinic past 6 weeks (which is 6 weeks since the last period) makes you liable.

Re: Moving to Texas

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Post by wpietri »

thrill wrote: post #34
relbeek2 wrote: post #16

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The Texas government definitely views women as second class citizens.

Or perhaps the Texas people view the unborn as first class citizens.

Nah. If children were all that important, they'd be doing a lot more than passing laws to control women's bodies.

Heck, the whole problem of abortion could be solved by controlling men's bodies. We are, after all, involved in 100% of unwanted pregnancies. Mandatory reversible vasectomies at puberty for all men would be a big step forward. And for men who slip up and impregnate somebody who doesn't want to carry to term, mandatory surrogacy payments to the woman from garnished wages to cover the work and expense.

And that's before we get to other obvious things like 100% free prenatal, birth, and postpartum care, plus a robust parental support system including visiting nurses, child health care, and subsidized child care so that women can quickly return to the workforce.

Re: Moving to Texas

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Post by r3trohack3r »

dylan604 wrote: post #42
r3trohack3r wrote: post #32

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> Arizona really has nothing to recommend it I’ve been living in PHX for 2+ years now, and have to disagree. Low cost of living and high QoL. Great school districts and master plan communities designed to make pre-k -> 12 schools walkable. Great food, amazing supply chains (the stuff you find at grocery stores here can be mind blowing), and well maintained infrastructure. We are positive sum water, when you build her…

Wait for the water to run out, and then we'll see how well PHX is liked.

Water doesn’t run out in a meaningful way. It moves and gets contaminated. Both problems are solvable.

Our approach to water is part of why we are able to give up so much from our pull on Lake Mead during this drought. Nevada is giving up 21k acre-feet, Mexico 80k af, and AZ is giving up a whopping 512k af. Nothing as far as I know for cutbacks from CA's draw.

I’ll repeat, when you build here you bring your water. And we actually enforce that. You don’t get to build a new subdivision or plant a nut tree farm without sourcing every drop of water you’re going to use.

Water is running out in some states. It’s not running out there because there isn’t water - it’s a symptom of failed water management strategies.

Re: Moving to Texas

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Post by betwixthewires »

dang wrote: post #58
massysett wrote: post #53

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Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article and then paste it into the thread to complain about it. That seeds discussion with precisely the worst, most flammable and superficial points. Instead, we (all) need to train ourselves to (a) leave provocations where we encounter them and (b) focus on the genuinely interesting things. Then we have a chance at contributing to a good, interesting forum. https:/…

I agree that conversations get more contentious and less productive when these things are brought up, but if it was a point made in the article it is arguably less productive to discussion to just ignore it and not bring it up at all. We are talking about the article after all, and the article says what it says.
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