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For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?
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Right. Did you even read the “source” you provided? Anyone who uses the 2 infected hairdressers as proof masks work has lost all credibility. Its the kind of scientism that thrives on social media. You do realize that half of the supposedly covid free clientel declined a pcr test? They just said they felt fine. I would not have gotten a passing grade in high scool if I had turned that paper in as proof of masking. Si…
Sorry but masks are not a very disputes issue anymore. I mean it is a airborne virus, how other than filtering air you breath in and out would you practically target it? Weirdly enough nobody seems to doubt HEPA filters work. Maybe because they are more convenient and don't demand that you wear a piece of cloth in your face?
Gee, why would a filter designed and proven to filter certain particles work, and a piece of cloth designed to be clothing not work? It must be an anti mask conspiracy!
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That's ridiculous. Like saying, hey poking that bear is no big deal because I have a gun. Threats alone are enough to make life miserable. Having an arsenal of guns will be of little comfort to your family.
That your mind equates speaking freely to poking a bear says a lot. What makes you feel safe? Someone else being paid by your taxes to have the arsenal of guns?
> That your mind equates speaking freely to poking a bear says a lot.
Yes, it does speak volumes on the problem the US is facing with its authoritarian, anti-intellectual, proto-fascist political movements. The science community should be free from persecution just because extremists have a hard time dealing with inconvenient info.
> What makes you feel safe?
Personally I feel safe when I don't have terrorists threatening me and my family with violence and murder just because I pointed the fact that vaccines work. It seems academia shares this opinion with me.
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#64> The data in support of this is massive, and quite certain. Continues without providing data.
If there is no data provided, this is 100% true.
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#65Every time these kind of articles come up, either from people for or against the mandates or vaccines, I want to remind everyone that you judge veracity by considering the circumstances of the source, never the source itself. The exact same words coming from someone working for a cigarette company versus someone working for a renowned research institution cannot be construed in the same way, even if they are the exac…
Honestly resorting to authority is not that different from listening to an organization with a profit motive to lie.
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The question now is for how long we will need to keep prevent weakimmune people. Didn't they have this exact problem before covid with 1000 other diseases? At this point, it seems weak immune people are weaponized.
That’s kinda the thing, no. I had no idea my friend had a compromised immune system until Covid and they stopped being able to go outside, had to go full time remote, got groceries delivered. We had to bring them some emergency cat food at one point. They’re planning on benefiting from herd immunity at some point once the virus has been beaten back but while it’s still spreading like crazy they’re stuck. It’s the fac…
Covid-19 will never go away though. It will circulate forever and spike whenever peoples immunity starts to fade. I take the timeline question to be "When do we accept Covid as endemic and get on with our lives?"
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
That your mind equates speaking freely to poking a bear says a lot. What makes you feel safe? Someone else being paid by your taxes to have the arsenal of guns?
> That your mind equates speaking freely to poking a bear says a lot. Yes, it does speak volumes on the problem the US is facing with its authoritarian, anti-intellectual, proto-fascist political movements. The science community should be free from persecution just because extremists have a hard time dealing with inconvenient info. > What makes you feel safe? Personally I feel safe when I don't have terrorists threat…
>vaccines work
Which ones? The covid-19 ones? Their efficacy is waning at best. Multiple nations with >80% vaccination rate were still dealing with outbreaks last I checked. And before you talk mortality/hospitalization rates, those are down across the board, and clearly would have gone down regardless.
Science is being attacked by both sides. When I say they are being cowards, I mean that they have let 100 years of knowledge go out the window. Efficacy of masks was well understood pre-2020, and a vaccine actually stopped you from getting a virus pre-2020. Try stating that cloth masks do nothing but embolden people to partake in more risky behavior. And that perhaps it was a bad idea to rush out a vaccine given what we know about doing that (see: dengue fever). When scientist are too scared to admit ADE is a real possibility, they have put their paycheck before the safety of humanity.
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If you don't possess some means of defending your family from real threats, you've already failed at your job. I understand HN leans left, but buy guns and learn to use them. The police will not be there to help you when you need it.
That's ridiculous. Like saying, hey poking that bear is no big deal because I have a gun. Threats alone are enough to make life miserable. Having an arsenal of guns will be of little comfort to your family.
There are also a ton of ways to ruin someone's life without violence. A gun will do nothing to stop those.
Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
The question now is for how long we will need to keep prevent weakimmune people. Didn't they have this exact problem before covid with 1000 other diseases? At this point, it seems weak immune people are weaponized.
That’s kinda the thing, no. I had no idea my friend had a compromised immune system until Covid and they stopped being able to go outside, had to go full time remote, got groceries delivered. We had to bring them some emergency cat food at one point. They’re planning on benefiting from herd immunity at some point once the virus has been beaten back but while it’s still spreading like crazy they’re stuck. It’s the fac…
I have a close friend that is immune compromised and can't take a lot of vaccines due to allergies. It has been a life long struggle for them. It was a struggle long before covid and I imagine it will be a struggle long after. To say its not forever may be the case for some but not all. Many people will continue to have issues long after new cases die down.
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While this assessment focuses on the “personal risk” side of things (yes, we are all aware that most of us who have been vaccinated should expect nothing more than a bad cold if we end up getting infected with covid), where your assessment falls apart is that it doesn’t take into account public health. COVID continues to overwhelm healthcare system ICU capacity. It continues to result in an unsustainable level of dea…
>Lastly, your assertion that suicides have increased due to COVID is false. [0][1] >Why are you telling people that? Take it up with the CDC. >In August, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the results of a nationwide survey conducted during the last week in June: More than 40 percent of those who responded reported symptoms of anxiety or depression or increased substance use, in addition to other…
Your argument would be stronger if you had made an honest claim, and if you had linked to the CDC rather than a newspaper article.
The fact you didn't link to the CDC data tells me that you lack familiarity with the way the CDC works, and that's important because suicide data is complicated.
The data we have so far doesn't support the points you've made.