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Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Naive question: what’s the difference between this and ec2? (I am already running my personal mail and website on an ec2 instance; is there any good reason to switch?)

Mainly the price, Hetzner is much cheaper. But you don't get all the other features from AWS. So if you only need EC2 and EBS you should probably use Hetzner and will save a lot of money.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Country of origin is not the sole reason we reject some orders. Most orders are rejected because of more than one red flag. We do have customers from "high-risk" countries. We also reject many European orders that appear to be fake, or that are far enough along the "possibly risky" scale. It is not a perfect art, but our team is constantly tinkering to improve our methods. We find that being overly cautious helps us…

Hetzner's definition of "high risk" orders is certainly geographically biased. If you're worried about invoice payments, consider a prepaid credits model.

On the other hand it probably allows them to offer these prices. For AWS, unpaid bills from fraudulent accounts will make up a significant line item, Hetzner can't afford that at their margins.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Naive question: what’s the difference between this and ec2? (I am already running my personal mail and website on an ec2 instance; is there any good reason to switch?)

Aws bandwidth costs would be the primary reason to potentially switch.

If you're stuff is low bandwidth there is probably little reason to move. You might compare the cost tiers of the size of system you use. Might also be reasonable to run personal stuff on spot pricing on AWS for cost savings.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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NTT/RagingWire VA1. Here's the details about the sea shipment that was sent from Hetzner Online GmbH in Germany to the US subsidiary: https://www.importgenius.com/importers/hetzner-us

Now that is a cool database. I'm surprised it's public.

so if i didn't misunderstood that page they've had one 40 foot container delivered with nineteen "server hardware" pieces, likely racks? thats less than i would've expected, but it makes sense considering that they probably don't have any big customers lined up.

it will be interesting to see how fast they'll grow.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Hetzner has a seriously flawed fraud detection system. There are multiple documented review complaints. Seriously, try opening an account from a third world / low income country (non EU/US/UK/CA/AU/NZ), your order will be flagged immediately. If they don't want orders from those countries, they should explicitly say so.

Country of origin is not the sole reason we reject some orders. Most orders are rejected because of more than one red flag. We do have customers from "high-risk" countries. We also reject many European orders that appear to be fake, or that are far enough along the "possibly risky" scale. It is not a perfect art, but our team is constantly tinkering to improve our methods. We find that being overly cautious helps us…

When we thought to rent a dedicated server for our hackerspace we initially put "Bernd Liefert" (a german in-joke) as the responsible admin down and they basically told us "lol no we know our jokes, too". We had to tell them a real, existing person as contact or they wouldn't have rented us the box.

So can confirm, they also reject European orders.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Why would an US employee leak personal data just because they’re in the US? It would be a clear violation of employment and probably criminal.

So one concern (and it's not just a theoretical concern; it has happened) is that a US court forces the US branch to use access it has to data held by the EU branch to exfiltrate data. Companies with the highest standards on this stuff will want either a pure-EU host or a host structured such that this can't happen.

Hmm, this is definitely worrying.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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I've had a the smallest cloud instance for a few years now, it is in fact really good and fast. 1vcpu with 2GB ram is plenty for a full stack web application + a database. IO is also very good with stable ~8000 iops write performance for 4k sync. Compared to Azure VM instances, Hetzner offers like 100x more performance for each $ spent.

Interestingly, I have used racknerd.com from lowendbox.com deals and it works quite nicely for me. No hiccups. They undercut linode/vultr guys like many other leb providers so you should try them as well. Leb has good deals for ultra low cost vps

Same, but there is some shady history with LEB to be aware of. Undeniable value though.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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If you setup the server in the EU why would anyone in US have access to it?

This is such a far departure from where I was hoping the Internet would look like growing up. Makes me sad political borders are now viewed as a feature.

That has nothing todo with the internet but with US law.

BTW it was always like that, want to study the human-body in the middle-ages? Go to arabia, in Europe you get burned alive.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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This is such a far departure from where I was hoping the Internet would look like growing up. Makes me sad political borders are now viewed as a feature.

The internet can't just paper over the fact that there are fundamental differences on how people do things across the world.

The internet was supposed to be the last free land where nerds could be able to create without worrying which part of the floor is lava.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Why would an US employee leak personal data just because they’re in the US? It would be a clear violation of employment and probably criminal.

US court says hand over the data. German court says that's illegal to do. Complying is illegal and so is not complying.

Not Complying with US law is also illegal, now imagine who has more to say in that regard.

Hetzner should split up in two Company's.

BTW:

The CLOUD Act applies to all electronic communication service or remote computing service providers that operate in the U.S, whether those providers are established in the United States or another country.

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