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When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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My M1 Macbook Air was the first computer I've bought in a long time that was brand new instead of refurbished. The only reason I bought new this time was because the keyboard on my old laptop kept burning out and I didn't want to keep replacing it. Most of my electronics were bought as refurbished, and I've never regretted it. It's surprising just how "new' a refurbished item can be at a substantial discount. And not…

I still have fond memories of my 1000 dollar refurbished original Vaio Z. The one with a carbon fiber magnesium chassis and a Raid 0 SSD drive. Worked like a horse for years before going out. They don’t make laptops like that anymore!

I'd love to try one of the new VAIOs to find out if the quality is the same.

https://us.vaio.com/collections/vaio-sx

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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This is no longer true about the returns - I may have to go to court with amazon over a warehouse item that was empty, and then they stuck me with the non-returned item when I returned the empty box, wiped my review of the 3rd party seller (fulfilled by amazon). They are currently lying to my credit card company about the chargeback. Not fun...

Why would you return an empty box? Legally Amazon had a contract to deliver you an item. They failed to do that, so you should have reported it as undelivered. When this has happens to me Amazon usually spend a few days “investigating” if the courier misplaced the item, then they admit it wasn’t delivered and send a replacement. If you report it as “delivered but there’s something wrong with it” then that’s going to…

They probably mean they opened the box and it was empty (i.e. they got sent a parcel, and the item's box was inside the parcel, but the item itself wasn't in the box).

I've worked in quite a few eCommerce companies on the fulfilment side (although not Amazon, but including Amazon sellers) and this is pretty common - the overwhelming cause is that a scammer buys a product from an online store, takes it out of the box, replaces it with rocks or something of a similar size/shape to make it weigh the right amount, then shrink wraps it to make it look like it hasn't been sold and then returns it for the full value.

However sometimes customers also lie and say that they received an empty box, when they actually had the item inside.

It is very rare that the manufacturer will ship an empty box (however it does sometimes happen).

Because of this, most eCommerce companies adopt a policy of "If the 'new' item was previously an unopened return, allow the refund, however if not, do not allow a refund". eCommerce companies track this by using different bins for returned products (or at least by not returning that product to a bin with the same SKU that is non-returned). This sucks for the customer if you are one of the unlucky people that gets a box sent empty by the manufacturer, but fortunately that's very rare (it's a tough one to resolve without lots of theft, as it's very easy for people to say that the box was empty and very hard to prove otherwise).

This is even more difficult with third party sellers, as Amazon may not have full visibility with how they are tracking returns, and those third party sellers may have different policies around 'received empty' returns (I've not seen the above in any official policy, but can confirm it is common practice - again not with Amazon but I've worked with a number of eCommerce companies with similar issues and policies).

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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The refurbishes he's looking at are all Apple-authorized or first party.

Any proof those are laptops Apple sold as refurbished? Rossman has been caught lying about a bunch of stuff in the past.

> has been caught lying about a bunch of stuff

Would you mind linking to some of those? He's not my cup of coffee, but I always saw him as a fair guy.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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Regarding refurbs, I’ve been buying refurbished gear for years without issue, however recently have had 2 bad experiences that make me question whether it’s worth it. The first was a an official refurb 2018 MacBook Pro which ended up having a burnt out touchbar and battery issues a year later. The second was an official Amazon refurb kindle, which never reached even half the battery life of a new model. This is of co…

I've bought several MBP's over the years. The 2018 MPB is one of their worst models I've had ever had and still have. I've had the keyboard in-operable and repaired twice. The battery has been services twice and won't keep a charge again.

I'm honestly blown away by the latest version, but what to wait to for the hype to die down and ensure there's no Quality issues with this years model as well. But it appears they may have taken a step back and instead of pushing aesthetics this year, they looked at what its users "want/need".

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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This is no longer true about the returns - I may have to go to court with amazon over a warehouse item that was empty, and then they stuck me with the non-returned item when I returned the empty box, wiped my review of the 3rd party seller (fulfilled by amazon). They are currently lying to my credit card company about the chargeback. Not fun...

Amazon support 10 years ago used to be amazing. They were truly a customer-first company. Today, Amazon support is probably worse than Comcast. They've been winning too long. I have starting curtailing purchases from Amazon, and ordering from any alternatives whenever possible.

The impression I'm getting here is that he didn't even talk to their support. You can do returns without ever talking to a CSR. But in this case that's a stupid move because when you do a return, you're saying that you'll return the actual item. So when they get it back and the box is empty, they're going to think you're scamming them. It sounds like his very next move was to do a chargeback, which again is a dumb thing to do if he hasn't even spoken to Amazon support.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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The refurbishes he's looking at are all Apple-authorized or first party.

Any proof those are laptops Apple sold as refurbished? Rossman has been caught lying about a bunch of stuff in the past.

Got any proof of that? Genuinely curious.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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They were. I still have one that I bought when they were released. Well, just a bit after they were released. At WWDC that year, the SF Apple Store sold out of them before I could get there after the announcement.

That first retina MBP ended up lasting me from 2012 until last year when I finally had to replace it. What a great computer.

Mine is still cranking, though it's recently relegated to couch duty as I use the 2019 iMac for WFH heavy lifting these days. I put a $29 upgraded WiFi module in it so that my watch will unlock it (and enables a bunch of other Bonjour functionality), but it otherwise just keeps humming along. I'm wondering if it isn't the computer I've kept and regularly used more than any other in the forty years since my first one.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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post #62

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Why would you return an empty box? Legally Amazon had a contract to deliver you an item. They failed to do that, so you should have reported it as undelivered. When this has happens to me Amazon usually spend a few days “investigating” if the courier misplaced the item, then they admit it wasn’t delivered and send a replacement. If you report it as “delivered but there’s something wrong with it” then that’s going to…

They probably mean they opened the box and it was empty (i.e. they got sent a parcel, and the item's box was inside the parcel, but the item itself wasn't in the box). I've worked in quite a few eCommerce companies on the fulfilment side (although not Amazon, but including Amazon sellers) and this is pretty common - the overwhelming cause is that a scammer buys a product from an online store, takes it out of the box,…

Too many people complain about things like this without seeing it from the other side. Like yeah you got screwed, but companies can't accommodate every issue that people claim they have. They'd go out of business. Even someone as big as Amazon couldn't sustain it. Word would spread about how easy it is to scam them and the number of people trying to do that would quickly ramp up. There's enough people in the world who aren't honest or who generally are but think "surely [large co] has enough money".

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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Same! So much so that I built a website specifically for this: https://www.dealforager.com It's pretty bare bones, but the problem I was trying to fix was that it took me a long time to browse the Amazon Warehouse offers trying to find the best deals. Amazon doesn't make it easy since they don't show the new and used prices side by side if you search directly under the Amazon Warehouse category. There is also no way…

The first thing on the front page are some Apple-clone earbuds which are apparently "normally" $5000, discounted to "only" $189. I think you have some data problems.

I just look at the new price and used price, so the data problem is on Amazon's end. I have no way to tell whether an item that is sold for $5000 is truly worth $5000 or not. I have tried implementing a check for this in the past using some statistics, but I decided it's better to leave some potential bad deals on than to remove them but also remove other really good deals. I've contacted Amazon's customer service about that particular item and they told me they would forward it to the right team, but I don't know if they have policies against ridiculous prices.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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Regarding refurbs, I’ve been buying refurbished gear for years without issue, however recently have had 2 bad experiences that make me question whether it’s worth it. The first was a an official refurb 2018 MacBook Pro which ended up having a burnt out touchbar and battery issues a year later. The second was an official Amazon refurb kindle, which never reached even half the battery life of a new model. This is of co…

I buy refurbished too pretty much every time, and I've had no real problems. Keyboard in 2014 MBP gave out because I dropped a Clorox wipe on it, and they replaced the whole motherboard for free (in warranty). Typing this on a refurbished 2019 16" MBP with no problems yet, though I swear typing lags every so often which I attribute to the Intel processor and some throttling.
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