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Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back

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Maybe! But I find that an awfully self centered view. I imagine humans (boats?) will play a (perhaps significant) aspect in their vision of the world. But I'd be surprised if it was any bigger than e.g. malaria is for humans.

I would say that's lowballing it considerably[1]. Whaling nearly drove sperm whales to extinction until they were protected in the 1970s. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_whale#Relationship_with_...

Fair enough

Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? You've been doing it repeatedly, and we're hoping for something different here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please refrain from knee-jerk reactions to short comments containing "bad words". The comment is actually substantive if you think about it for a second. Heuristics are right most of the time until they aren't. Also see pg essay "Succinctness is Power": http://www.paulgraham.com/power.html

It has to do with comment quality, not bad words.

Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back

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God I cannot wait to talk to whales. Their oral histories must be incredible. People have fantasized about communicating with extraterrestrials for ages. I don't understand why we haven't invested significant resources in trying to communicate with the other animals on our own planet. What an incredibly weird and non translatable experience it will be to (finally?!) start this adventure with whales. Tangent time. If…

> Lets get some whale engineers working on the hard problems please.

Somehow I pictured whales as the engineers in this sentence. It makes it even better.

Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back

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Whale: “Hey, I found some fish.” Whale Eliza: “Interesting. How does that make you feel? Whale: “What the fuck?”

Not sure if it's the case with whales, bit as far as I know there is no recorded use of questions in the animal kingdom - all communication seems to be enunciative, or orders. Questions are exclusive to humans...

TIL - I expected that the chimpanzee sign language experiments would be a counterexample, but apparently the (IMHO surprising) lack of question usage was one of their outcomes.

Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back

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God I cannot wait to talk to whales. Their oral histories must be incredible. People have fantasized about communicating with extraterrestrials for ages. I don't understand why we haven't invested significant resources in trying to communicate with the other animals on our own planet. What an incredibly weird and non translatable experience it will be to (finally?!) start this adventure with whales. Tangent time. If…

> Lets get some whale engineers working on the hard problems please. Somehow I pictured whales as the engineers in this sentence. It makes it even better.

That was the intent!

Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back

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Whale: “Hey, I found some fish.” Whale Eliza: “Interesting. How does that make you feel? Whale: “What the fuck?”

Not sure if it's the case with whales, bit as far as I know there is no recorded use of questions in the animal kingdom - all communication seems to be enunciative, or orders. Questions are exclusive to humans...

Allegedly the famous parrot Alex asked what color he is. But the whole line of research is doubted by a lot of people.

Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back

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Not sure if it's the case with whales, bit as far as I know there is no recorded use of questions in the animal kingdom - all communication seems to be enunciative, or orders. Questions are exclusive to humans...

This is because humans are the only living thing which feels inadequate enough to ask questions. No other creature feels like it lacks knowledge. And yes, I'll take it a step further: the reason science glorifies questions is because science is human beings systematically mass-hypnotising each other into greater and greater inadequacy. You ever notice how you never get enough answers in science? Every "answer" you ge…

To ask questions, you have to 1) understand that others have minds 2) understand that there are things you don't know 3) understand that others might know things you don't 4) understand that you may ask them and they will tell you.

That's actually a lot of advanced cognition, even if it doesn't look that way to us.

Re: Attempting to interpret sperm whale clicks with AI, then talk back

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Whale: “Hey, I found some fish.” Whale Eliza: “Interesting. How does that make you feel? Whale: “What the fuck?”

You should look up the Far Side comic where a professor invents a dog translator. Turns out the only thing dogs say is 'Hey! Hey! Hey!'.
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