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Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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Re: Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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A good book. Although this statement: While writing it, I discovered that piano pedagogy had never been researched, documented, and analyzed properly is totally wrong. There's a Piano Pedagogy group just in the Bay Area, and lots of books on it. I was an Adult Beginner, which is sorta a Thing. My teacher had about 12 adult students, and we had separate recitals from the kids. The hidden reason for this is, you don't…

I should clarify one thing about "making money":

You would think you could play at rehearsals for a community theater group. Those are really low budget organizations and a lot of the staff doesn't even get paid. The rehearsal pianist got paid $50 for the entire show.

Even that guy is way better than most of us will ever be.

Re: Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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I used to take lessons, very classical with a skilled teacher, had my own digital piano at home; but couldn't find the motivation to practice.

Several years later I bought a cheap 49-key midi keyboard and fired up YouTube, still going and improving every day.

Just do it, really; sit down and learn how to play something you like, your way.

Re: Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same applies to guitar fretboard where I think it's a really interesting graph theory problem. I think I saw someone post about it on HN a while ago.

It's similar but maybe slightly different. At least with bass guitar, the different positions you can play the notes will end up with the notes sounding slightly differently even if it's the same fundamental frequency (particularly open strings sound dramatically different, but even outside of that each string has its own sound). Also there might be a consideration about how the transition between two notes sounds wh…

Not to mention that there are multiple schools of thought on fingering. I'm a 1-2-4 player, likewise on double bass.

Re: Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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Does this book cover how to figure out finger numbering for sheet music that doesn't have finger numbering? By finger numbering I mean the standard scheme where thumb=1, index=2, ..., pinky=5, and the notes on the sheet music have these numbers. This is the biggest mystery to me. I understand there is not a One True Canonical Fingering for a given sequence of notes. But some fingerings make the music much easier than…

It's usually not too hard to figure out a fingering that works. Just don't do anything that feels really bizarre or involves stretching in a weird way. As you get into harder music you have to have an open mind -- it's not unheard of to do weird finger-crossing (like having a scale end with 4-5-4) or playing a line with some of the notes covered by both hands or crossing hands. But for the most part it only takes a few seconds to find a natural way to play any particular passage.

Re: Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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From the last section in Chapter One, titled "Jazz, Fake Books, and Improvisation": > In summary, the process of learning this genre consists of practicing the chords and scales sufficiently so that, given a melody, you can “feel” the right and wrong chords that go along with it. That's only scratching the surface and will not get you playing jazz. Listening to and copying the greats - Bird, Monk, Evans, Coltrane, Ro…

Hmmm, what parts feel harder or not described above? In my experience it really is just about learning the scales and the chords, like the author mentions. Then you just have to let yourself make the connection. That can be really hard. But it’s kinda about trusting that you know the necessary parts - which notes are playable.

are you a professional jazz pianist? there is more to jazz than pitches... theres time, vocab, rhythm, tone, etc etc which are the things you work on your whole life lol. and then theres the whole issue of playing with other people

Re: Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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Does this book cover how to figure out finger numbering for sheet music that doesn't have finger numbering? By finger numbering I mean the standard scheme where thumb=1, index=2, ..., pinky=5, and the notes on the sheet music have these numbers. This is the biggest mystery to me. I understand there is not a One True Canonical Fingering for a given sequence of notes. But some fingerings make the music much easier than…

This seems to provide a solution: https://github.com/marcomusy/pianoplayer

This is really cool, and probably deserves its own HN submission :)

Re: Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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Does this book cover how to figure out finger numbering for sheet music that doesn't have finger numbering? By finger numbering I mean the standard scheme where thumb=1, index=2, ..., pinky=5, and the notes on the sheet music have these numbers. This is the biggest mystery to me. I understand there is not a One True Canonical Fingering for a given sequence of notes. But some fingerings make the music much easier than…

> Wish some HN coder genius would write a program that given sheet music as input, outputs the top 1-3 recommended fingerings for that music with explanations for which rules were applied. You must first access the corpus of data on fingerings. AFAICT that is an oral history passed among piano teachers. Even then, you must account for how different fingering approaches quantize to various tempo changes. E.g., there's…

Hand size, too. I have big fuckin' hands, and I can comfortably manage chords in eg Chopin pieces that my (small, female) piano teachers had to roll. Conversely, they could more easily do some of the arpeggiation that I'd almost literally fat-finger at non-practice tempo.

I'll also add my anecdata to the parent's thoughts on quantization of fingerings to tempos. I like ragtime, and I've grown to notice that playing it properly (that is, slowly, as Joplin is always going on about in the margins) often requires what is essentially more difficult fingering than that which is required to play it quickly (that is, the !!FUN!! way). Someone in another subthread mentioned having to physically model the arm and hand. I think that's essentially correct.

>You must first access the corpus of data on fingerings. AFAICT that is an oral history passed among piano teachers.

At the risk of a vague digression, I'd also like to point out the difficulty the parent had in extracting exactly what their hand was doing outside of the context of "sitting in front of a piano, playing the notes in question". The whole point of fingerings being added to a difficult section -- whether by the publisher or the performer -- is to aid the speedy automatization of that difficult section, with the aim of converting it into an uncontroversially straightforward section, like those in the rest of the piece that don't need fingerings. The best piano teacher I ever had, when working out fingerings for a difficult unlabelled section, would play it slowly a few times while looking at, and thinking about, her finger position. Then, she'd try to play it at as close to full speed as she could, and observe what her hand was doing. That is, leverage the automatization that fingerings are supposed to supplement. It's not just piano teacher oral histories one should ought to digitize, it's also piano teacher premotor cortices!

Re: Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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Have to chime-in here as a piano player since age 7 (so been going for ~28 now), who about 2 years ago got very serious about Jazz.

I have stumbled across this book many times, I have read it. It's the single most controversial book that I've read about piano technique and playing that I've found.

The author, is not even a player himself (!!!). There's a great summary of reviews about the book here (https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=38247.0), if you're starting into piano, stay away, get a decent teacher.

Re: Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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As somebody who has been trying to play harpsichord for many decades on and off, I immediately jumped to the chapter on tuning. My longstanding opinion on ET is that any key is simply a shift of x semitones above and below C. Since publication when electronic aids were expensive, there's apps you can put on your phone for little or no money. Pitchlab Pro is excellent, but there may be patent issues in your jurisdicti…

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Re: Fundamentals of Piano Practice

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This is a prettified version of the original which is available here: http://www.pianopractice.org/ , suggest a link change.

What do you see as the advantage of the “ugly” version? More up to date?

http://www.pianopractice.org/ has the third edition from 2016, but this version is based on the second, from 2009. The third edition has many additions.
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