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Why are our brains shrinking?

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Re: Why are our brains shrinking?

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Perhaps it is female (or family) intelligence and impulse control driving the age at which a female paired off and had children.

Paleolithic life expectancy was something like 22 to 33, and much of that after very high infant/maternal death rates. With such life expectancies, females would likely be bearing children at ages we today would find positively shocking. Simply surviving childbirth would be a huge selection factor for both mother and child. And girls become fertile well before they are fully developed physically (yes?), and I suppose their ability to survive childbirth presumably increases a lot with each year after menarche until they are fully grown.

This might be noticed and communicated culturally. There could certainly be selection advantages to parents and families communicating this to their daughters. On the other hand, adolescents certainly want to have sex at early ages, and our ancestors wouldn't have the same hangups and cultural barriers humans have had for the past several millenia. (Indeed, part of the story here is that developing those hangups is, to some extent, adaptive.). And with shorter lifespans, there would have been some expectation of getting on with it. Sex and mating would have been socially "valid" choices at far earlier ages.

If so a girl (/family?) with the intelligence and self-control to 1) notice this and 2) act to postpone mating, even by a year or two, could do a lot to improve a girl's/woman's odds of surviving childbirth and so passing on her genes. If (a big if?) we presume that these characteristics are related to brain size, that might explain it. (If the ability to notice, and communicate, the advantage of waiting were in the _parents_, that would still be be selective for intelligence/control.)

As human lifespans extended, pressure to reproduce at an early age would diminish, and it would be easier to create and communicate the cultural norms protecting girls from maternity before they were fully grown. Indeed those norms would become adaptive, as having sex too early would be needlessly dangerous. At which point, _all_ girls would be protected from premature pregnancy, and the selection for intelligence/control would diminish.

(Apologies for any ignorance of how the ability to bear children changes after menarche, I have only the standard male knowledge of these things. And for "girl"/"woman" nomenclature issues, the ages in question here are very different than the ones we are today accustomed to.)

Re: Why are our brains shrinking?

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This is a good point but it does seem like people consistently select for less intelligence because less intelligent animals are more tame and easier to control.

You don't have evidence for that. You presume that less intelligent animals are easier to control, but that's not at all necessarily true. The smaller brain -> less intelligence isn't even something we know.

I definitely have evidence that wolves are smarter than dogs. [1][2] You're welcome to nitpick but it's obvious that wolves are smarter than dogs.

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soe-mONHGMc

2: https://www.studyfinds.org/wolves-smarter-dogs-logic/

Re: Why are our brains shrinking?

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Because we are being domesticated. Domesticated animals are all dumber than their wild counterparts. Every wild animal that ends up being domesticated ends up with a smaller brain. I should rephrase and maybe say that this doesn't necessarily mean the animals get dumber but they definitely change in the process of domestication and a smaller brain is one of those adaptations. [1] > The reduced amount of white matter…

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Re: Why are our brains shrinking?

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You have this backwards. We are dealing with orders of magnitude more information than we did in ancient times, and we are required to remember a good chunk of it and to be able to recall and use it at a moments notice. Computers are a big factor in generating all of that information, even if they help process some of it the net effect is a huge surplus.

I don't think I have it backwards. I don't remember anything or know much about the world in general terms. I just know and remember enough key phrases for google to give me the answers when I need them which requires very little cognitive effort on my part. [1] 1: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-athletes-way/2...

Computers are less than 100 years old, the idea that their existence has lead to brains shrinking is preposterous.

Re: Why are our brains shrinking?

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Sounds like we need to take control of this evolutionary process and start engineering it. Just because we are no longer required to use these abilities on a daily basis doesn't mean we don't want them. Evolution can go to hell with its "pressures", humanity is supposed to get better over time, not worse.

Sounds like eugenics. Heh, no thanks. Also "better" and "worse" only mean something relative to an end. I do not deny ends (I take human nature to be teleological, for example), but many "evolutionists" (i.e., those who accept a basically materialistic worldview) do deny the reality of ends (and are wholly incapable of accounting for them even if reduced to mental phenomena by virtue of having painted themselves into…

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Re: Why are our brains shrinking?

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post #60

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You don't have evidence for that. You presume that less intelligent animals are easier to control, but that's not at all necessarily true. The smaller brain -> less intelligence isn't even something we know.

I definitely have evidence that wolves are smarter than dogs. [1][2] You're welcome to nitpick but it's obvious that wolves are smarter than dogs. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soe-mONHGMc 2: https://www.studyfinds.org/wolves-smarter-dogs-logic/

That doesn't mean that humans are dumber now, though, nor does it mean that dogs were bred to be dumb, nor does it mean that dumb animals are easier to control. Humans with intellectual disability can in fact be extremely hard to control in my understanding!

Re: Why are our brains shrinking?

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Because we are being domesticated. Domesticated animals are all dumber than their wild counterparts. Every wild animal that ends up being domesticated ends up with a smaller brain. I should rephrase and maybe say that this doesn't necessarily mean the animals get dumber but they definitely change in the process of domestication and a smaller brain is one of those adaptations. [1] > The reduced amount of white matter…

Domesticated by whom? How?

By society. More intelligence means more likelihood of "waking up". It takes a little bit of ignorance and blind trust to be a cooperative member of society. Once you get too smart, you no longer become useful and then you have to start hunting on your own. Not everyone can do that in today's age, so most people choose to delegate their decisions because the reward is that you get to live without having to think as much.

Re: Why are our brains shrinking?

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The brain itself is the evolutionary pressure. It is often repeated that the brain takes ~20% of our body's energy despite being ~2% of our body's mass. If there is no need to have a brain so large (due to a lack of predators) it is beneficial to shrink it.

It's beneficial to lower the brain's calorie intake it if it results in higher reproductive fitness. But like GP said, we have plenty of calories, more than we've had compared to the entire history of humanity. So it doesn't naturally follow that lower calorie brains are higher fitness in 2021.

"Although our brains were getting bigger progressively, around 70,000 years ago they plateaued, and have been shrinking ever since."

From the article. 2021 is very recent.

The article also discusses energy usage a little under the section "Fuel".

Re: Why are our brains shrinking?

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The brain itself is the evolutionary pressure. It is often repeated that the brain takes ~20% of our body's energy despite being ~2% of our body's mass. If there is no need to have a brain so large (due to a lack of predators) it is beneficial to shrink it.

Beneficial how? Reduction in calories? We tend to have diseases of excess calories in the developed world now. If anything, the greater brain metabolism may actually help by burning some of those excess calories off…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29033971
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