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The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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post #9

Alimony is stupid. Child support without the man having a say in abortion is even more stupid.

Why is alimony stupid? I haven't really heard any good arguments against it.

It's a really strange way to run an insurance program. A portion of your salary goes to mandatory unemployment insurance in Germany. If alimony was fair it would be charged the same way on married people and paid by both parties.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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post #6

Getting into an institution with no easy way out discourages entry in the first place. Alimony has no place in a society where men and women are equal; child support is based on the paradigm of a traditional stay at home mom who never worked and who will never work, taking numbers from Kentucky(!?) in the late 50's, early 60's as a base and slowly increasing from there. Add to this the fact that to get out of the ins…

It doesn’t help that in America taxes penalize you significantly for it if both spouses work

Same in Switzerland.. and in same vein (probably as in US too), many parts of the country are inaccessible for living due to costs if there is only 1 spouse working (unless in top 1% of the income bracket, but even then it can be tricky).

It comes back down with more kids, but generally couple should stay single here till they want/are expecting kids. Being childless married couple hurts financially pretty badly for no reason.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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post #15

My ex wanted to get married and I was keen on the idea. But it is a scary endeavour with no practical upside, high financial cost and absurd legal risk. Why would I get married? Love? You can love without marriage. If marriage is to prove you love someone then I don’t think I want to bother loving anyone.

I was 50-50, but wedding surprisingly ended up one of the nicest experiences of my life, and there is plenty to compete for that spot. People tend to forget its not for the couple but for everybody else.

Wedding creates additional bonds. I didn't expect it, but it did. You want to have strong bonds in marriage, the more the better, because tough times will inevitably come. Bonds can be created in other ways (ie intense adventure experiences together), but they are different. It also covers things when SHTF - visits in hospitals, inheritance etc.

Divorces are expensive if people make them expensive when going down revenge rabbit hole. It can be as simple as 2 signatures on 1 paper and that's it. Choosing spouse is the most important choice in life and tons of folks don't do wise choices in this, with results all around. With kids divorce becomes more complex, but then even without marriage its complex depending on local laws.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Getting into an institution with no easy way out discourages entry in the first place. Alimony has no place in a society where men and women are equal; child support is based on the paradigm of a traditional stay at home mom who never worked and who will never work, taking numbers from Kentucky(!?) in the late 50's, early 60's as a base and slowly increasing from there. Add to this the fact that to get out of the ins…

Fertility has been steadily dropping since long ago throughout industrialization; the boom since the 50's are an anomaly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Birth_Rates.svg https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$fi...

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Getting into an institution with no easy way out discourages entry in the first place. Alimony has no place in a society where men and women are equal; child support is based on the paradigm of a traditional stay at home mom who never worked and who will never work, taking numbers from Kentucky(!?) in the late 50's, early 60's as a base and slowly increasing from there. Add to this the fact that to get out of the ins…

> child support is based on the paradigm of a traditional stay at home mom who never worked and who will never work, Not at all. It's based on the belief that children are the responsibility of both parents. If the children live with one parent it is therefore believed that the other parent should still contribute to the costs, which sounds fair and sensible to me. > Add to this the fact that to get out of the instit…

Child support is not legally required to be used on the child.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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post #12
post #2

Interesting times ahead. Especially for Gen Z and younger, who rely heavily on dating apps instead of going out to meet new potential partners. Dating apps which are highly ineffective at actually generating relationships for most people (particularly for straight males). I predict Gen Z birth rate will be less than 1 per woman, but this might not be a problem for Western economies for now as Western countries can ju…

Eventually western countries will be taken over by Muslims and non white Christians and we will have normal social structures again. This is not a pejorative. As an immigrant, I think this will be great.

Personally I am hopeing for nano-tech and neovictorians, but that is just me.

We can make marriage attractive again, if we make divoce very, very hard or very, very easy. What we have now is in between and that helps nobody.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

#67
post #39

Getting into an institution with no easy way out discourages entry in the first place. Alimony has no place in a society where men and women are equal; child support is based on the paradigm of a traditional stay at home mom who never worked and who will never work, taking numbers from Kentucky(!?) in the late 50's, early 60's as a base and slowly increasing from there. Add to this the fact that to get out of the ins…

To put it more simply - marriage was created for a man and a woman who were both fulfilling strict social expectation of their gender. Man would hunt for food & protect the tribe, which eventually turned into work a 9-5 job and earn money. Woman would manage the house, cook food, raise kids. It has increasingly less place in the world as lines between gender roles continue to blur.

I disagree. Throughout most of history, people lived in extended families, and only recently (starting from 1900s) has it become nuclearized for most of the people.

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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post #38
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then don't marry. Monogamy is still the dominant lifestyle form. It's also a safety if children are involved.

> Then don't marry. What about people with partners that are non-citizens? I know a lot of people in that situation, myself included. Double income households are penalized outside of marriage. Marriage also shackles you to the other partners' debts. Lots of people have mountains of student debt. Divorce, even without kids, incurs alimony and division of property. And you have to deal with expensive lawyers and the c…

> people with partners that are non-citizens?

In NZ you become de-facto partner after living together for few years. Marriage has become pointless and mostly done as a token party.

So wherever you live the problem is lack of partnership laws...

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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As expected, the article says nothing of single-parent households. It mentions the black people that don't get married being disadvantaged but fails to mention that a majority of black children are raised in single-parent households.

Do you think that not getting rewarded for being unmarried is more of a problem than children being raised in a single-parent household?

Re: The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's time to try out those term-limited renewable contract marriages that appeared in a lot of classic scifi.

Islam has those since forever - nikah mut'ah. One way to sleep around ie while traveling and not get into troubles with quran.

not all of islam
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