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Re: False confessions

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post #2

Yea, I am well aware of the advice to not talk to the police. But I wonder why the police would go to such trouble to get confessions as to write a letter to trick people into doing so etc.

In Canada they go to far, far greater lengths than writing letters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_(police_procedure)

Re: False confessions

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post #45
post #6

Rule #1: Don't talk to the police. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik You're better off taking the beating.

You are standing at the end of the block. You hear a woman scream "help! he's taking my baby!", and look up to see two men push a woman violently to the ground, snatch a baby from a stroller, jump into a car, and drive up the street in your direction. They reach the intersection, where you get a good look at the men as they turn the corner. The drive halfway down the block, and turn into a driveway, pull into the gar…

Or maybe you find a pipe bomb in a crowded area and decide to alert the police & help evacuate the area. Nothing could go wrong there, you're only trying to save lives. Much like the above posited scenario, how could anyone see you as anything other than a hero?

Look, I'll admit I'm biased (I'm a criminal defense attorney.) That said, you never know which good, wholesome, moral conversation that you have with the police will turn you from a heroic savior into a criminal suspect.

(For what it's worth, I'd speak to the police in your scenario. That said, I wouldn't fault anyone for not doing so.)

Re: False confessions

#63
post #6

Rule #1: Don't talk to the police. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik You're better off taking the beating.

And it's not "Don't talk to the police if you have nothing to hide". Unfortunately, you are always better off to not talk to the police.

In America. I wonder about the situation in other legal systems.

Re: False confessions

#64
post #32

It'd be nice if [insert popular TV crime drama] would pick this up and run with it. We might start to see juries doubting confessions in the same way they've already been trained by the media to doubt non-forensic evidence.

The burden of proof has apparently been raised to ridiculous levels by CSI, according to some prosecutors. Juries believe that the sort of thing done on CSI is realistic, and they expect very definitive results and evidence, which usually doesn't happen.

And don't even start to look at court proceedings in Germany, where people are astonished that it's nothing like in the dubbed American shows they watch.

Re: False confessions

#65
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But don't take it to the extreme. Do talk a little bit 'What is the problem officer', 'Do you know why I pulled you over? -- No", "Am I free to go?" when it takes longer than it should and a little politeness can go a long way when your pulled over for a minor ticket. Shut up in all other situations, detainment, questioning, asking to search and especially once your arrested.

Especially shut up in traffic stops. Police rely very heavily on confessions in such situations, and don't appreciate lying. Even if you think you're telling the truth, they won't (that is why they pulled you over..). Saying anything except answering their queries with carefully constructed responses will either incriminate you or make them mad. "Do you now how fast you were going?" "What do you have me as officer?"…

Being completely silent from the start is really weird and doesn't really get you anywhere, which people can get the impression of in the video.

Re: False confessions

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are standing at the end of the block. You hear a woman scream "help! he's taking my baby!", and look up to see two men push a woman violently to the ground, snatch a baby from a stroller, jump into a car, and drive up the street in your direction. They reach the intersection, where you get a good look at the men as they turn the corner. The drive halfway down the block, and turn into a driveway, pull into the gar…

Or maybe you find a pipe bomb in a crowded area and decide to alert the police & help evacuate the area. Nothing could go wrong there, you're only trying to save lives. Much like the above posited scenario, how could anyone see you as anything other than a hero? Look, I'll admit I'm biased (I'm a criminal defense attorney.) That said, you never know which good, wholesome, moral conversation that you have with the pol…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell

Re: False confessions

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially shut up in traffic stops. Police rely very heavily on confessions in such situations, and don't appreciate lying. Even if you think you're telling the truth, they won't (that is why they pulled you over..). Saying anything except answering their queries with carefully constructed responses will either incriminate you or make them mad. "Do you now how fast you were going?" "What do you have me as officer?"…

Being completely silent from the start is really weird and doesn't really get you anywhere, which people can get the impression of in the video.

A simple "Evening officer" is perfectly ok. If you continue with "..what seems to be the problem?" then you are getting into iffy territory though. Let them tell you that there seems to be a problem.

Re: False confessions

#68
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being completely silent from the start is really weird and doesn't really get you anywhere, which people can get the impression of in the video.

A simple "Evening officer" is perfectly ok. If you continue with "..what seems to be the problem?" then you are getting into iffy territory though. Let them tell you that there seems to be a problem.

So you've had an officer walk up to you, you said hello and then you said absolutely nothing at all in return afterwards? Your mouth didn't open one bit? How did that go?
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