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> So whose interests are served by mandating a leaky vaccine that prevents neither infection nor transmission of a disease that is chiefly dangerous to people over 75 or with serious preexisting medical conditions? Should I keep reading? I think not
Should I explore perspectives outside of accepted party narratives? I think not
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Sorry but that's impossible. FIVE vaccine related deaths/issues in your small social circle? Next you are going to tell me you know of a vaccine-related car crash. Please revisit your priors or who you put trust in, as they might as well lie.
I don't know which vaccine each took. My dad's coworker had a stoke and died 2 days after getting the vaccine, two of my wife's brothers were the ones with heart issues. My daughter's bf's friends mom also had a stroke 2 days later. A friend now has tinnitus. Not sure what else to tell you. The math suggests this is unlikely. But here it is. Edit: also, nice edit changing it from "next I'll tell you that car accident…
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Isn’t it just easier (and with virtually no risk) to require people to vaccinate rather than debate over who did/did not actually have COVID?
Antibody tests exist. I’m not in any way antivax, but it makes no sense why people who already had COVID should be required to receive a vaccine instead of just proving they have antibodies. This kind of illogical policy gives fuel to antivaxers.
Also, this article provides some arguments based more on biology. https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-v...
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Antibody tests exist. I’m not in any way antivax, but it makes no sense why people who already had COVID should be required to receive a vaccine instead of just proving they have antibodies. This kind of illogical policy gives fuel to antivaxers.
What's the difference in cost to the organization giving the shots or the antibody tests? My expectation is that they're about the same. If that's true, it's easier and more certain to just require vaccination. Also, this article provides some arguments based more on biology. https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-v...
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I don't know which vaccine each took. My dad's coworker had a stoke and died 2 days after getting the vaccine, two of my wife's brothers were the ones with heart issues. My daughter's bf's friends mom also had a stroke 2 days later. A friend now has tinnitus. Not sure what else to tell you. The math suggests this is unlikely. But here it is. Edit: also, nice edit changing it from "next I'll tell you that car accident…
Odds of death from AstraZenaca are 1 in 1 million. Let's take odds of the event of having serious complications to be 1/100,000 just to be more skeptical. The odds that 5 people in a row have such serious side effect is 1/10^25. That is equivalent to tossing 83 coins in a row and getting all heads. Which is more likelier. 1/10^25 or that you have false information regarding this. : )
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Should I explore perspectives outside of accepted party narratives? I think not
Rather like minmaxing, once you encounter something severely discredited there's no point going on and you can prune that whole dialogue tree. If people want to convince me, they need to lead with their strongest evidence.
> If people want to convince me, they need to lead with their strongest evidence.
Yes and:
I considered myself a Popperian. I used to think discourse and reason could solve all of our problems. Ha.
How do I talk to my creationist (for instance) family members? What can I say that hasn't been said before?
I can't. And even if I could, I don't have the resources or wherewithal to counterbalance the tsunami of noise.
So I adapted.
One consequence is I'm now a predictionist. Whatever that's called. (Utilitarian?) For public discourse, rhetoric, policy I no longer care about base truth, objective reality.
Just make some predictions and stand by them. How does a belief in creationism, young earth, supply side economics, herd immunity, or whatever (for instances) help me navigate the world?
As I aged, I had less drive to refute every utterance about astrology (for instance). Now I no longer feel compelled or obligated to refute any other given cult.
Okay, I think that's my rant. Oh my god, family can push our buttons.
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I don't know which vaccine each took. My dad's coworker had a stoke and died 2 days after getting the vaccine, two of my wife's brothers were the ones with heart issues. My daughter's bf's friends mom also had a stroke 2 days later. A friend now has tinnitus. Not sure what else to tell you. The math suggests this is unlikely. But here it is. Edit: also, nice edit changing it from "next I'll tell you that car accident…
Odds of death from AstraZenaca are 1 in 1 million. Let's take odds of the event of having serious complications to be 1/100,000 just to be more skeptical. The odds that 5 people in a row have such serious side effect is 1/10^25. That is equivalent to tossing 83 coins in a row and getting all heads. Which is more likelier. 1/10^25 or that you have false information regarding this. : )
Edit, here's some corrections:
This isn't 5 people in a row who had issues, it's 5 people within 4 nodes of distance in their social network. 4 nodes of distance is a lot of people, probably around 200,000 - 2,000,000.
The odds of having severe complications from the vaccine are about 1 in 100,000.
Therefore, everyone should expect to have 2-20 people within 4 nodes of their social network to have severe complications from the vaccine.
The mistake is not realizing the absolutely massive amount of people within 4 nodes of distance in your social network.
The other massive issue I see here is that there should also be somewhere around 500 covid deaths in the same pool of people that produced these 5 people with vaccine complications. The fact that they are focused on the 5 and not the 500 speaks heavily to their biases.
Keep in mind, all of this also assumes that what they're saying is 100% accurate, and these complications were definitely caused by the vaccine, and were not a coincidence. In truth, for every 1 person that has complications with the vaccine, 10-100x had the unlucky coincidence of something bad occurring that would have happened even if they hadn't gotten the vaccine.
Couldn’t make it through the article. I’m not sure how to discuss the pandemic with people who won’t acknowledge that a vaccine that prevents death and serious disease is a good thing when over 700,000 people have died in the US alone.
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Sorry but that's impossible. FIVE vaccine related deaths/issues in your small social circle? Next you are going to tell me you know of a vaccine-related car crash. Please revisit your priors or who you put trust in, as they might as well lie.
I don't know which vaccine each took. My dad's coworker had a stoke and died 2 days after getting the vaccine, two of my wife's brothers were the ones with heart issues. My daughter's bf's friends mom also had a stroke 2 days later. A friend now has tinnitus. Not sure what else to tell you. The math suggests this is unlikely. But here it is. Edit: also, nice edit changing it from "next I'll tell you that car accident…