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Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by y4mi »

crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #50

For all those who don't understand how this could happen, there's an important word nobody says and it explains everything: Adultism. There's clearly racial components to this story and others like it, but let's be very clear: this is the result of a society that doesn't value children, treats them largely like objects, and for sure doesn't care for their needs. How can I make these claims? There's a pandemic and yet…

> There's a pandemic and yet school is still in session and in person.

I thought the risk to children is super low though?

And if it is, wouldn't switching to a remote setting be way worse, because school at the lower levels isn't about teaching topics but about learning how to interact with people?

One or two years go by quickly as a working adult, but it's an incredibly long time for a child, having only online contact with people for such a long time will surely be worse for them, no?

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by drfxyjhdyfrhgc »

crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #50

For all those who don't understand how this could happen, there's an important word nobody says and it explains everything: Adultism. There's clearly racial components to this story and others like it, but let's be very clear: this is the result of a society that doesn't value children, treats them largely like objects, and for sure doesn't care for their needs. How can I make these claims? There's a pandemic and yet…

>There's a pandemic and yet school is still in session and in person. Did we reorganize society to protect the children?

I don't think it's fair not to point out that covid is drastically less dangerous for children.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by crawfordcomeaux »

drfxyjhdyfrhgc wrote: post #62
crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #50

For all those who don't understand how this could happen, there's an important word nobody says and it explains everything: Adultism. There's clearly racial components to this story and others like it, but let's be very clear: this is the result of a society that doesn't value children, treats them largely like objects, and for sure doesn't care for their needs. How can I make these claims? There's a pandemic and yet…

>There's a pandemic and yet school is still in session and in person. Did we reorganize society to protect the children? I don't think it's fair not to point out that covid is drastically less dangerous for children.

You can think that.

We don't understand the long-term effects because we haven't gotten there in time, yet. Pretending to know these things is dangerous for children.

I think your point ignores the fact that none of this is up to the children, regardless of risk, and they are also an infection vector which allows the virus to continue spreading and evolving. The virus is less dangerous for children, so it makes sense to let them get it and spread it? Is this the point you're trying to make?

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by crawfordcomeaux »

y4mi wrote: post #61
crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #50

For all those who don't understand how this could happen, there's an important word nobody says and it explains everything: Adultism. There's clearly racial components to this story and others like it, but let's be very clear: this is the result of a society that doesn't value children, treats them largely like objects, and for sure doesn't care for their needs. How can I make these claims? There's a pandemic and yet…

> There's a pandemic and yet school is still in session and in person. I thought the risk to children is super low though? And if it is, wouldn't switching to a remote setting be way worse, because school at the lower levels isn't about teaching topics but about learning how to interact with people? One or two years go by quickly as a working adult, but it's an incredibly long time for a child, having only online con…

Maybe, but coming out with a chronic condition like an autoimmune disease is maybe not so comparable to emotional trauma that can be healed from. Also, why is school still in session? There are other ways to meet needs besides school and they're way healthier than how we do school anyway. That's why I advocate for large pandemic bubbles designed to be as self-sustaining as possible, and not isolation or remote learning.

The adult world's perspective is super skewed. The options most people consider are isolating, bubbling small, or denying the risks. There's more we can do.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by drfxyjhdyfrhgc »

crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #63
drfxyjhdyfrhgc wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There's a pandemic and yet school is still in session and in person. Did we reorganize society to protect the children? I don't think it's fair not to point out that covid is drastically less dangerous for children.

You can think that. We don't understand the long-term effects because we haven't gotten there in time, yet. Pretending to know these things is dangerous for children. I think your point ignores the fact that none of this is up to the children, regardless of risk, and they are also an infection vector which allows the virus to continue spreading and evolving. The virus is less dangerous for children, so it makes sense…

The virus is less dangerous for children, so it's not fair to say that schools were opened just so parents could work. Schools were opened, in part, because policy makers know that in person contact poses unequal danger to children and adults.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

hnbad wrote: post #45
a0-prw wrote: post #2

If this is true, it's insane. Really, in a "civilised" country ?

You may not know this but your question is somewhat ironic. The narrative of doing this "for their own good" is a lot like the language used to justify abducting children from native families in North America to "kill the savage, save the child" and "civilize" those children in white schools. "Civilized" is an extremely loaded term and it's worth reflecting on whom we label as "uncivilized" and how we actually behave…

There was an incredible amount of what they call "white paternalism" from the the people in the article. Historically, natives and blacks were seen of as deserving of state backed abuse and destruction in the name of "civilization". Even General Lee wrote in his letter to his wife:

"The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."

when referring to African slavery.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by crawfordcomeaux »

drfxyjhdyfrhgc wrote: post #65
crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can think that. We don't understand the long-term effects because we haven't gotten there in time, yet. Pretending to know these things is dangerous for children. I think your point ignores the fact that none of this is up to the children, regardless of risk, and they are also an infection vector which allows the virus to continue spreading and evolving. The virus is less dangerous for children, so it makes sense…

The virus is less dangerous for children, so it's not fair to say that schools were opened just so parents could work. Schools were opened, in part, because policy makers know that in person contact poses unequal danger to children and adults.

Oh. Ok. Noted. Fairness achieved and that changes nothing about my points.

The decisions are economically driven, instead of wellbeing/needs based. This is the point. Even if I noted all things weighed and considered, the issue would be that we effectively went back to the same ways of life. Policy makers are carrying on with persisting adultist systems and making decisions without deep consideration of human needs or direct input from the youngest among us.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by snedfree »

tgv wrote: post #17
a0-prw wrote: post #2

If this is true, it's insane. Really, in a "civilised" country ?

When there's no oversight by decent people, this can happen. Hence the importance of fair elections, education, and scrutiny, in particular for corruption.

One town in Rutherford Co re-elected the same corrupt mayor for decades on end; he was the longest serving elected official in state history. Over the course of his administration he stole the contemporary equivalent of millions of dollars from the small town, which had a population of a thousand or so during his tenure. He won his last election (with ~80% of the vote) while actively & publicly embroiled in the lawsuit that would ultimately cause the state supreme court to order his removal from office. After he was forced out, the town's elected council immediately appointed the town manager, his twin brother, as temporary replacement; his twin announced he'd just do whatever his deposed brother told him to do... and won his own election in this platform. One resident, when interviewed about the affair, admitted the former mayor was corrupt and a thief, but defended his record saying he was a good old boy and "never did anything bad-wrong" like murder. One of the town's major thoroughfares is named after this long-(self)serving mayor and he's still revered with nearly saint-like status in that town.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by secondcoming »

crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #53
secondcoming wrote: post #29

Why the capitalisation of 'black' and 'latino', but not 'white'? Is there a grammatical rule, or is it just politics?

Maybe it's because "white" people don't have white skin? I've literally never met anyone with #FFFFFF skin tone. There's just people who think they're white and who others would identify as white. Doesn't make them whiter... So no, let's not give lying equal respect in grammar. Let's show the distinction and deny people who think they're white any kind of collective class recognition. If you want capitalization, here…

Lying? I don't understand anything you wrote, or how it relates to punctuation.
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