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Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#61

Heroin is already way past a reputational point of no return, but people are still using it.

Worth noting for the ones who aren't familiar with it: physical dependency is different than psychological dependence. Not saying one is easier to stop/better than the other, but Facebook and heroin have very different effect on people.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#62

This whole circus is about as contrived as it gets, complete with the "think of the children" gimmick. The timing, the theatrics, the manufactured celebrity of a middle manager at Facebook who is doing the "right" kind of whistleblowing that the establishment likes. Facebook's predatory business model isn't unique or new. This is about raw power to censor.

I mean, it's a stupid plan. A whistleblower to advocate for censorship? Do they think the people are that stupid?

I guess like most things they don't need the majority of public on board, just a bit of plausible deniability.

If anyone was really concerned about the algorithms, they'd make transparency requirements, not censorship requirements.

If anyone was really concerned about the results of teenagers in the study, they'd go after TikTok, where teenagers are and where they rank them by looks.

If anyone was really concerned about bad foreign actors on social media they'd go after the Taliban and the Ayatollah on Twitter.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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No. That’s what people like us and all the main stream media hope for. But: most people I know don’t have the slightest clue that Insta and WhatsApp belong to the FB group. And even worse: most of them don’t give a shit about the reputation of FB. They just want to send messages and share pictures through those apps.

Not to mention facebook leaders don't care, they already made billions by misbehaving without any consequence. Even if the story did end there, it's 100% win for them.

This is the lesson of our generation: makes money by delegating the consequences to society. Nothing will happen to you. In fact, in 20 years, you could buy the service of some PR firm, and they will even make you a hero in the eyes of the public eventually.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#64

I don't really know much about US politics, but could this recent attack on Facebook be a political move and a power grab? Attack FB so they block certain groups / certain topics and promote what the regulators want? I listened to the whistle-blower's testimony and I didn't hear any reasonable solutions (in my opinion at least; I am a software developer myself). Also, it seems there might be some regulations imposed.…

It's a political move and power grab.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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No. That’s what people like us and all the main stream media hope for. But: most people I know don’t have the slightest clue that Insta and WhatsApp belong to the FB group. And even worse: most of them don’t give a shit about the reputation of FB. They just want to send messages and share pictures through those apps.

I was really surprised when Facebook added their branding to the splash screen of those apps. I thought the whole point was that no one even knew about it. WhatsApp at least is a little different (no in app ads, no infinite scrolling, at least in theory encrypted messages). But Instagram is literally just another incarnation of the exact same business model as FB with slightly different features.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#67

This whole circus is about as contrived as it gets, complete with the "think of the children" gimmick. The timing, the theatrics, the manufactured celebrity of a middle manager at Facebook who is doing the "right" kind of whistleblowing that the establishment likes. Facebook's predatory business model isn't unique or new. This is about raw power to censor.

This isn't the first time we've seen this PR package. Some of the architects of the story are the same. I dunno whom one writes a check out to, to order this service, but I bet it needs a few more digits on it than I could muster.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

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post #3

No. That’s what people like us and all the main stream media hope for. But: most people I know don’t have the slightest clue that Insta and WhatsApp belong to the FB group. And even worse: most of them don’t give a shit about the reputation of FB. They just want to send messages and share pictures through those apps.

My question is... why do people like us continue to work there? They know what is going on there more than anyone.

can you make a purely ideological/ethical case for working at google/twitter/amazon/ms/apple over working at fb?

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#70

This company will continue running roughshod upon society until governments do something about it. They are too big to fail. Competitors just get bought up. Unsurprising that boomer media can't comprehend this.

I can see the adoption of AWS and related services potentially making Amazon so indispensable to the world's governments and banks that its failure might result in disaster, but I don't think any of Facebook's services qualifies.

Unless you're referring to general financial consequences that the failure of any successful company might bring, but that doesn't really make it "too big to fail".

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