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Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Re: Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Post by KronisLV »

janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

You know, it's pretty eye opening, to see that many streamers make millions in just a few months, while it would take me more than 50 years of constant work in my country to make a single million. Though looking at the top earners is probably very demoralizing if you don't also see the median and average figures, which i'm curious to see.

Someone actually did a writeup of some of their personal findings, though i'm sure that we'll see more in the following weeks: https://sizeof.cat/post/twitch-leaks/

Of course, i can also understand that those with a lot of money probably don't want others to know how much they make, while those that are making less money sometimes don't want to be confronted with the truth because it's so depressing. Regardless, if nothing else, it's educational to see things like these and have them become a piece of humanity's history.

Re: Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Post by yellow_lead »

Wingy wrote: post #51
yellow_lead wrote: post #38

The torrent is here if anyone wants to take a peek (for research / meta data purposes only of course) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:N5BLZ6XECNEHHARHJOVQAS4W7TWRXCSI&dn=twitch-leaks-part-one&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce

Be careful with this, they're probably watching peer lists, AFAIK it's illegal to download stolen data but IANAL.

Already has thousands of peers so I wouldn't worry too much

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Post by FredPret »

coliveira wrote: post #52
FredPret wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scandinavia, while not exactly a nightmare, seems like the opposite of the American dream to me. In Scandinavia, you have the radical lack of privacy you just mentioned as a feature (!!!) as well as eye-watering taxes. Now, in the States, the government spies on you, but at least they don’t publish their findings.

If everyone is paying the same taxes, this suddenly is not a problem! It really is a problem only when some people pay a lot of taxes and others pay close to nothing.

You mean like how the top 10% pays 71% of the taxes and the bottom 10% are net receivers of government money?

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Post by Thiez »

bityard wrote: post #32
errantspark wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a society that doesn't value privacy functioning much better than ours if the lack of privacy is somehow thoroughly universalized. Secrets allow for concentration of power, something we should avoid. That being said I'm well aware of how load bearing "somehow thoroughly universalized" is in my statement. Perhaps it's only possible in a culture that truly rejects secret keeping as deeply harmful from an…

There is no freedom without privacy, full stop.

Surely that depends. If there was a database where you could lookup the eye color of anybody, would freedom be significantly impacted?

I imagine that publishing everybodies income would not have a significant impact on freedom even if some people would prefer to keep that data private.

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Post by Barrin92 »

janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

Privacy is, contrary to much discourse particular on HN or the tech circles in general, primarily a tool for the powerful. (this is why crypto-anything has always interested libertarians moire than everyone else, they correctly recognize that it is a tool to escape (fiscal) authority).

Transparency and expansion of the public sphere generally has equalizing effects, expansion of the private sphere the opposite. This is I think relevant in particular for people in the US who seek to emulate Scandinavia, because they ironically seem to be some of the biggest opponents to anything that conjures up notions of 'surveillance'.

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Post by lijogdfljk »

janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

Out of curiosity, how difficult is it to migrate to Scandinavia as an American? I've long felt the ideals i cherish as an American are just not the ideals of America. Maybe America isn't wrong, i'm just not American. I want:

A country which values it's citizens health and happiness in measurable, quantifiable ways.

A country which ensures it's citizens can be educated and follow their passions to financial success.

A country which allows even poor citizens to take risks like opening a business or going to school _(if you can call that a risk)_ without going into crippling debt or becoming homeless if you fail.

A country where a health emergency won't leave middle class workers in crippling debt.

A country where a job is enough to ensure you can have a roof over your head and food on the table.

Scandinavia may or may not match all of those, but that's not my point - it feels to me Americans don't want this. To me Americans value "freedom" (as ephemeral as that may be) and low taxes so heavily that the above items are nearly irrelevant if they conflict with that.

This isn't a dig at America, rather i'm simply saying maybe i need to stop voting so "lefty" and find some place more inline with myself?

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Post by mrep »

chrsig wrote: post #5
warent wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my perspective, in American culture very few people are mature enough to handle discussing income without feeling a hugely inflated ego or completely inferior to their peers. (Maybe true elsewhere but I can't speak to those places!) The reason it's kept secret is because people can't help but turn it into the proverbial dick measuring or whatever is a more polite way of putting it. As for the American Dream, it…

I don't think it's really fair to reduce it to dick measuring when there's just a ridiculously enormous class divide.

All my friends have STEM or business degrees and I'm pretty sure I make 2-6x more than every one of them because I work at a top paying software company. I don't want to talk about that.

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Post by bee_rider »

ta1234567890 wrote: post #36
trixie_ wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good portion of the United States is against any sort of identification system in general. It’s why voting is so complicated. Some kind open income system in unfathomable to the vast majority of Americans.

Which is pretty ridiculous given that everyone needs a social security number, and then if you ever want to rent or buy a place you need a credit score. Then if you want to travel abroad you need a passport. And if you use google, social media or a cell phone, or pretty much just anything online, you are going to get tracked. All of these systems and organizations have already identified you, or they’ll easily do it…

It is pretty annoying -- to sign on to the IRS's system you pretty much need an existing debt to some private company (student loans [but not NELNET!], credit card, mortgage, etc). Apparently we can't have a government run identification service so we have to hack one out of random information from private companies.
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