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Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by jonny_eh »

Aea wrote: post #34
aclelland wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that when CF say unlimited bandwidth they really mean it. I manage a domain on the business level plan for a domain and I pushed over 1PB through it in January. Not a single complaint from CF and no sales calls pushing enterprise tier. They haven't clarified their file operations costs yet though. That could get pricy but will more than likely be cancelled out by the egress savings for most use cases.

Not saying your experience isn't true, but I've heard horror stories of accounts being disabled for using too much "non-HTML" bandwidth, even on business level ($200/month) accounts (at the single digit TB level). The limits seem to be arbitrary and ill defined. CF may be great technically, but I personally wouldn't use them without an enterprise agreement in place. Bandwidth should be cheap, but cheap does not equal…

> I personally wouldn't use them without an enterprise agreement in place

That would depend on the use case I'd assume.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by breakingcups »

DeathArrow wrote: post #55
Eugr wrote: post #25

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Did you have a look at rstor.io? They have free egress and even lower storage costs and also don't seem to charge for IOPS. Not as high profile as Cloudflare though.

Also Wasabi is worth checking. Free egress cheap prices. https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/#three-info

If I recall correctly, that's only good up until the total storage. So if you store, say, 100GB of files total, you only have free egress up until 100GB/month

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by breakingcups »

ignoramous wrote: post #32

I've commented elsewhere, and I'll comment here again: Cloudflare R2 is really a re-packaging / re-positioning of how most customers were using Cloudflare's CDN in the first place: As a low-cost content delivery network. As a small tech shop, we front S3 with Cloudflare (not CloudFront, because it's relatively expensive) for binary downloads, and pay single digit $ to AWS and $0 to Cloudflare. If we were pushing blob…

A big difference is that it was really scary to run up against their non-HTML content policy, which I presume isn't the case with this new object storage.

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Post by the_duke »

anyfactor wrote: post #56
sillysaurusx wrote: post #8

Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…

I googled what egress meant. > when that data is retrieved from the cloud, providers will then charge large fees; this is what’s known as a data egress. There are many cloud providers seem to be not charging for egress.

No, most cloud providers do not charge for ingress, but charge heavily for egress.

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Post by breakingcups »

res0nat0r wrote: post #45
unethical_ban wrote: post #15

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"Archive" Archive is great for archiving. S3 standard tier is not for archiving.

My #1 concern is total monthly cost to store data, that's it.

Then your #2 concern should be "when will I want to access this data I store? How much of it? And how quickly?" because that's where Glacier can cost you a new house or car.

So for backups, stuff you don't need often (AND don't need to restore quickly), it's fine. Not so for most other use-cases.

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Post by Smerity »

Eugr wrote: post #25
sillysaurusx wrote: post #8

Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…

Did you have a look at rstor.io? They have free egress and even lower storage costs and also don't seem to charge for IOPS. Not as high profile as Cloudflare though.

Thanks! I'd never seen them. The only minor catches that I've seen are that they want you to start the account with $50 or more added, it's $6 per TB per month (rounded up to the nearest TB) with a 90 day minimum duration, and you're allowed 1TB egress per day for each TB you have stored.

They were also acquired very recently[2] though no clue how that might impact things.

I'm fine with all those except the pre-loading $50 just to test, though that's as I want to test it personally. If I were using a business account that's not as much an issue.

[1]: https://console.rstor.space/pricing

[2]: https://www.yahoo.com/now/packetfabric-announces-acquisition...

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by mlyle »

cloudfalcon wrote: post #20

Hi, I'm LV, I wrote this post. I co-founded Taloflow to make choosing cloud vendors transparent and easy. I'm curious to hear what factors HN readers think I missed and if you think Cloudflare R2 will be a threat in the cloud object storage market place.

What do you think of the above comment which indicates you overcounted B2's costs by a factor of 10,000?

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by mrweasel »

starfallg wrote: post #57
mrweasel wrote: post #49

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Maybe the point is that just having the S3 and CDN isn’t enough to move customers. If you’re using AWS, S3 (and Cloudfront) it will just be a tiny part of your infrastructure, why would you move that out of AWS and lose the integration coming from having everything in AWS?

Zero egress costs for assets is a very strong reason for people to move. For public assets, it's a complete no-brainer.

I kinda think people will use the S3 proxy feature of R2 for that, which doesn’t really move customers over.
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