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Question for people here: Is it justifiable to accept these flaws in the short-term if it results in a car that has a lower-error rate than human drivers in the medium/long-term?
If the error rate is only 0.5% but the death rate of those errors is 100% I am not sure it will be justifiable.
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Well, what's the baseline? I'm all in for a way to reduce any accident.
But there's a choice involved. Reduce baseline accidents, but increase being exposed to completely random events that will kill you. Nope. I won't be part of that statistic.
Question for people here: Is it justifiable to accept these flaws in the short-term if it results in a car that has a lower-error rate than human drivers in the medium/long-term?
This comparison gets me the most. People bringing up human error rate vs machine error rate. They’re not comparable at all. And it will be evident when you have majority autonomous cars on the road. Human errors are more or less RANDOM. Machine errors are NOT.
Others are bring up tired, drunk, texting... All real problems, but following too close is universal to nearly all drivers.
What will happen if a deep-learning bug is found in Tesla autopilot where it misclassifies a fire truck for a bridge? Will they ground all the Tesla cars remotely? Or disable autopilot remotely? Until they have gathered new training data and updated the software?
So even when those cars ram into fire trucks from time to time, it would be better to let them do their thing. Otherwise people will grab the steering wheel, drive drunk, sleepy, angry etc and ram into all kinds of things again.
Currently, there are 6 million car accidents per year in the USA. Almost 100 people die in car accidents every day. So there is a ton of data to make the decision.
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This has already been happening but self driving enthusiasts just keep thinking it is great. And regulators have done very little and otherwise smart people like Sandy Munro get extremely mad at what little regulators have hinted at. It is wild times.
Munro sat down with Musk and enthusiastically praised FSD but complained about how roads were often improperly painted. Musk--to his credit--said the car needed to work safely even in the presence of paint errors. (Video is on Munro's YT channel.) Munro is very critical of many aspects of car design; I cannot understand why he's such a fan of FSD. I tried FSD on the $200/month plan and dropped it: It makes the car un…
Because he doesn’t understand it and thinks it’s magic. He has not much clue about modern tech and is just buying into the hype.
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This has already been happening but self driving enthusiasts just keep thinking it is great. And regulators have done very little and otherwise smart people like Sandy Munro get extremely mad at what little regulators have hinted at. It is wild times.
Munro sat down with Musk and enthusiastically praised FSD but complained about how roads were often improperly painted. Musk--to his credit--said the car needed to work safely even in the presence of paint errors. (Video is on Munro's YT channel.) Munro is very critical of many aspects of car design; I cannot understand why he's such a fan of FSD. I tried FSD on the $200/month plan and dropped it: It makes the car un…
That's not quite accurate. Unrelated to autopilot / FSD, you can do a small press on the turn signal and it will signal three times and then stop signaling. You can also push all the way down and it will signal until you turn it off. You don't have to hold it down.
FSD will only continue switching lanes while the turn signal is on, so if you do a small press down, you may see the behavior you described.
What will happen if a deep-learning bug is found in Tesla autopilot where it misclassifies a fire truck for a bridge? Will they ground all the Tesla cars remotely? Or disable autopilot remotely? Until they have gathered new training data and updated the software?
By the time people are allowed to let their cars drive unsupervised, the crash rate of AI versus human will probably be 1:10 or so. So even when those cars ram into fire trucks from time to time, it would be better to let them do their thing. Otherwise people will grab the steering wheel, drive drunk, sleepy, angry etc and ram into all kinds of things again. Currently, there are 6 million car accidents per year in th…
This sort of statement keeps being parroted over and over again. As Linus would say, talk is cheap, show me the code; then we can speak.
>So even when those cars ram into fire trucks from time to time [...]
This is just insane, honestly, and if this is the premise that guides the development of these sort of systems I'll be glad to never set foot on one.
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The idea is to have self driving safer than our average driver who’s always texting and driving, sometimes driving under the influence and sometimes just too stressed to pay attention to the road. Self driving cars will make fatal mistakes but I have no doubt that tesla very soon will be able to be safer than the average driver. Plus the more autonomous vehicles on the road the more safer it is. Finally currently tra…
Ok. But this idealism doesn’t work when Tesla has clear failure modes that simply shouldn’t happen during normal driving. Humans generally do not give their cars haircuts by slamming them under a stopped cargo truck. They do not generally smash straight into stationary emergency vehicles. We can’t handwave basic safety issues away by saying “in aggregate, they perform better than humans in most conditions.” The basic…
This is why we put the BRT (big red truck) behind the rescue scene and park it at a 45 degree angle. It weighs 15x as much as a car so it won't move much when a car hits it, and we want the car to bounce off sideways and away from the rescuers (us) when it happens.
What will happen if a deep-learning bug is found in Tesla autopilot where it misclassifies a fire truck for a bridge? Will they ground all the Tesla cars remotely? Or disable autopilot remotely? Until they have gathered new training data and updated the software?
By the time people are allowed to let their cars drive unsupervised, the crash rate of AI versus human will probably be 1:10 or so. So even when those cars ram into fire trucks from time to time, it would be better to let them do their thing. Otherwise people will grab the steering wheel, drive drunk, sleepy, angry etc and ram into all kinds of things again. Currently, there are 6 million car accidents per year in th…