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A massive oil spill in the Pacific Ocean reached the Southern California coast

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Re: A massive oil spill in the Pacific Ocean reached the Southern California coast

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I remember after the Exxon Valdez oil spill wondering when we were going to get off of petroleum. 32 years later and the cars are bigger and less efficient. Automobiles kill more kids than anything else in America: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmsr1804754#:~:text=... . . When are we going to finally develop a reasonable transit system? This petroleum based life style is killing our children.

"someone think of the children" is not a valid argument.

The same petroleum powers the hospitals and ambulances that save many more children.

You also offer to feasible alternative except a complaint that it's not happening fast enough for your liking.

Re: A massive oil spill in the Pacific Ocean reached the Southern California coast

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Just because it happens in nature doesn't mean it's OK for us to make it happen in more places. If you've ever been to the beach around that oil seep you'd know it sucks to get the tar on you or your surfboard. We don't need more.

i’ve been getting tarballs on everything and everywhere in santa barbara my entire life. there are several capped oil rigs offshore in the channel. it seems like even without a spill, these things are dangerous to ecologies over the long term. the petroleum industry has negative externalities at every end and throughout it’s operations.

Santa Barbara has a lot of seeps, that's the source of the tar balls. It has absolutely nothing to do with off shore drilling.

http://seeps.geol.ucsb.edu/

Re: A massive oil spill in the Pacific Ocean reached the Southern California coast

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Southern California has considerable oil and natural gas seepage off shore. Many of the oil rigs aren't drilling but simply harvesting the seeps. They passively collect 100-150 barrels a day from the Coal Oil Point Seep Field. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Oil_Point_seep_field The oil in question was not from a seep however. It came from the processing platform Elly that supports two other drilling rigs in the…

Just because it happens in nature doesn't mean it's OK for us to make it happen in more places. If you've ever been to the beach around that oil seep you'd know it sucks to get the tar on you or your surfboard. We don't need more.

I wasn't suggesting that it is in anyway acceptable to spill oil, and I think it is interesting that in the same region the spill occurred there have always been naturally occurring seeps that release far more oil into the environment.

And it's also interesting that these companies have been passively capturing the oil from the seeps, which potentially reduces the amount of tar washing up on the shores.

Re: A massive oil spill in the Pacific Ocean reached the Southern California coast

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Oil derricks right in the middle of neighborhoods? Great idea! Apartments? Not in my backyard!!1 Oil platforms a few miles offshore a busy public beach? Sure why not? Offshore wind farms? Illegal!!

My understanding is that plans have been put in motion to eliminate all oil wells from the LA area.

HB is in Orange County

Re: A massive oil spill in the Pacific Ocean reached the Southern California coast

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From looking at the news videos of the tarballs, some crude oil is just like what has made it to the beach. In Alberta CA the famous tar sands are about like this, including even the sand, otherwise this is mainly the remaining wax and tar content which picks up the sand when it washes up. After "weathering" before drifting ashore, most of the light volatile hydrocarbon content has evaporated leaving only the heavy r…

Could you explain the economics of selling these wells among companies? It sounds like what you are trying to say is akin to Budget selling its fleet of 1 year old rental cars to Rent -a-Wreck and not doing any maintenance on them in the meantime.

It's a business gamble that unfortunately has more than just financial consequences if the second-hand hardware fails to continue performing as "reasonably" expected.

>Amplify Energy Corp. is an independent oil and natural gas company engaged in the acquisition, development, exploitation and production of oil and natural gas properties.

All the actual work is expected to be performed by contractors, so the company can co-exist in the same space as cowboy oilmen who don't have to have great engineers on their staff as long as the contractors have the credentials.

Looking at the Amplify portfolio at this early stage in their business, it can be seen that a good number of their properties consist of oilfields where many or most of the wells are not actually producing any more, even though the remaining subsurface reserves are significant.

These could be expected to be value acquisitions requiring the lowest possible up-front investment. A rise in the oil price might be what is anticipated before the additional cash could be raised that could be used for refurbishment and to bring non-producing wells back into production.

The offshore California play however does have all wells listed as currently producing, plus they ended up with the associated pipeline that goes with it in that case.

They may not have as much experience at operating a subsea pipline compared to their efforts getting into the oilwells themselves.

Either way, once an asset sale is in the works, expensive maintenance would be deferred from that point so the acquiring operator can bear the costs. This would be figured into the negotiated price.

To some extent you get what you pay for, even on the industrial scale.

Re: A massive oil spill in the Pacific Ocean reached the Southern California coast

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Seems like the "massive oil spill" from the link is equivalent to half a year of natural seepage from this single seep field.

It would also be very interesting to see seepage from say, 1910, predating the 10,000 wells that were built in the area, 1925, at the height of the oil boom, and today, but I doubt this information exists. Edited to say "area" instead of "city" - there was no city at that time.

If the seeps were from the same geologic formations that the wells were drilled into, it would be expected that the oilwells would have reduced the availability of the oil to continue seeping at the previous volume.
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