Live data from Hacker News

Captchas To Keep Idiots Out Of Comment Threads

dangerousminds.net

61–70 of 215 posts

Re: Captchas To Keep Idiots Out Of Comment Threads

#61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are equating that after years of education, with the subject of English (albeit American English) being a core class for EVERY YEAR of attendance, and with spell checkers on most forum communities, that if someone still goes out of their way to transpose "lose" with "loose", then, yes, they are probably an idiot.

*then

"Then" is correct, isn't it? The statement is an if-then statement. Am I wrong?

Re: Captchas To Keep Idiots Out Of Comment Threads

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are equating that after years of education, with the subject of English (albeit American English) being a core class for EVERY YEAR of attendance, and with spell checkers on most forum communities, that if someone still goes out of their way to transpose "lose" with "loose", then, yes, they are probably an idiot.

> they are probably an idiot. Did you mean "He is probably an idiot." or "They are probably idiots."?

Neither:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

Re: Captchas To Keep Idiots Out Of Comment Threads

#64

this would also seem to discriminate against people who aren't native english speakers (or w/e other language).

I've the feeling that when you're speaking in a foreign language, you are more careful than in your own language. Maybe it's language thing, but I make ton of typos in French (double consonants, en/an, or/hors), and I can correct native English speaking people on stuff like your/you're.

Re: Captchas To Keep Idiots Out Of Comment Threads

#65
If you don't want to hear from anyone who isn't a pedantic, highly literate writer in English, that's your prerogative.

I, however, wish my Web had more input from illiterate people. There are a lot of them -- the majority of the world, an overwhelming majority when you restrict yourself to the English language. They have lives, thoughts, and stories too. And if it weren't for recorded music, oral historians, and the occasional documentary they'd be completely invisible in our media.

Of course, the average comment thread on the web is a terrible way to interact with the literate and the illiterate alike. ;)

Re: Captchas To Keep Idiots Out Of Comment Threads

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*then

I know this is not appropriate, but it made me laugh so hard. I'm trying to write as correct as I can, but the GP just proved that these mistakes happen to everyone, even the people that think that it might make sense. What about non-native speakers? Their point might be valuable, the participation in a discussion really help- and meaningful, but still - these now/know, there/their, you're/your mistakes are common. A…

I will agree with the others. Non-native speakers (such as myself) tend to pronounce the words more carefully, thus they don't confuse them as often.

In my head, "then" and "than" sound totally different. Same with "they're", "their", and "there", "loose" and "lose", etc.

Re: Captchas To Keep Idiots Out Of Comment Threads

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no excuse not to know common homonyms and misspellings. A smart person who has trouble with them knows they have trouble with them, knows what they are, and knows to double check himself. If you don't do at least that, you probably aren't that bright. We'll forgive the less common words like your "grammer".

This sounds like a social signal, not a cause-and-effect relationship. You are not establishing that some quality of being an idiot causes someone to have poor grammer, you are saying that the ought to know their grammar “just because.” Your argument reminds me of the argument that someone ought to wear a suit and tie to work: There is no excuse for not knowing that a suit and tie is what people wear to work, and any…

You don't always need causation, sometimes correlation is enough.

EDIT: To clarify, it doesn't have to be that stupidity causes bad grammar, but if bad spellers are likely to be bad commenters, that's all you need.

Re: Captchas To Keep Idiots Out Of Comment Threads

#70
The better idiot screen on any discussion forum with a well defined subject scope would be a factual knowledge test. But the factual knowledge test wouldn't maintain the existing community if the existing community already has "hivemind" about factual issues central to the forum's subject, contrary to fact. I wonder what we would all consider the subject scope of HN? Are there any issues on which the HN consensus about the facts of the real world might be contrary to "objective" fact?
Post reply on HN