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Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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Re: Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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Huh, I'm surprised, my initial guess of "pays like shit" wasn't the primary reason - "bus driving has been privatized and the for-profit bus companies laid everyone off for C19" was the main one, with a chaser of "doesn't pay as well as other driving jobs".

>"bus driving has been privatized and the for-profit bus companies laid everyone off for C19" was the main one To be fair, they'd be happy to keep the drivers on the payroll if the schools continued to pay for their service.

To be fair, if they did want those drivers to come back, they shouldn't have laid them off.

I get it, it cost money and it sunk your profits for the year. And driving a bus, while it needs some skills, is not a hard trade to teach, so the company owners thought they would be fine.

But the effect of this pandemic on the laborer class is huge. Most of them think that they were nothing but a cog at best, and something to be exploited by the capital at worst. Working for a company, you are expected to earn less, but to have work security. Some (most?) of them will work for themselves now, whether its hairdressers or plumbers.

Online engineering classes during the pandemic were sky-high. My brother was a sound technician, working for event and sometime TV. After the lay-off during the pandemic, he taught himself some code. Most of his ex-coworkers are now working for themselves and are way more expensive than they use to be for companies hiring them, only on temp contracts. Also, they now work less hours, so not only the costs for TV production/event recording are way higher, a small labor shortage is growing in a trade where most people couldn't find a job easily, and were forced to do pro-bono work to build their CVs.

Re: Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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Sure can't use any of the $173 million they made in profit last year, though.

They could, but they don't because it's not their responsibility. Likewise, should we shame rich silicon valley knowledge workers because they didn't pay to keep their local restaurants afloat during the pandemic?

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Re: Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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There is also no "shortage" of materials like microchips. Those are all just fancy ways of saying INFLATION. If you pay enough, you'll get those microchips delivered to wherever you want by tomorrow morning, trust me. That's how the world works, like it or not.

I feel like you don't know what the word "shortage" is for.

Re: Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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I trained as a school bus driver, and I agree with both of you, but especially the dealing with children part. I quit my job as a bus driver on my second day because I was stressed out about hurting kids. (Yes, I know school buses are among the safest vehicles on the road; it was an irrational fear.) But the other part of the equation is the schedule. You are hired as a part-time employee, no benefits, but the schedu…

The solution is to recruit teachers to work as drivers.

The solution is to make the job attractive enough that people are willing to do it.

Re: Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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post #61
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"bus driving has been privatized and the for-profit bus companies laid everyone off for C19" was the main one To be fair, they'd be happy to keep the drivers on the payroll if the schools continued to pay for their service.

To be fair, if they did want those drivers to come back, they shouldn't have laid them off. I get it, it cost money and it sunk your profits for the year. And driving a bus, while it needs some skills, is not a hard trade to teach, so the company owners thought they would be fine. But the effect of this pandemic on the laborer class is huge. Most of them think that they were nothing but a cog at best, and something t…

> To be fair, if they did want those drivers to come back, they shouldn't have laid them off.

How much would it cost to keep the drivers on the payroll? If the drivers are available to be hired, but your business is driven to bankruptcy a few months into the pandemic, that doesn't really improve the situation.

Re: Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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There is also no "shortage" of materials like microchips. Those are all just fancy ways of saying INFLATION. If you pay enough, you'll get those microchips delivered to wherever you want by tomorrow morning, trust me. That's how the world works, like it or not.

I feel like you don't know what the word "shortage" is for.

You may feel that, but that doesn't mean everyone does.

Re: Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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There is no labor shortage. There's currently an excess of unemployment benefits. There's no point in working when you make less than not working.

> There's currently an excess of unemployment benefits. If unemployment pays better than working, then workers aren't getting paid enough. The solution is not to cut unemployment benefits.

I never claimed cutting benefits is the solution.

Re: Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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> There's currently an excess of unemployment benefits. If unemployment pays better than working, then workers aren't getting paid enough. The solution is not to cut unemployment benefits.

I never claimed cutting benefits is the solution.

No, but I've seen plenty of people imply such when claiming that unemployment paid better than working.

Re: Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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I never claimed cutting benefits is the solution.

No, but I've seen plenty of people imply such when claiming that unemployment paid better than working.

Got it. I personally wouldn't work either if pay was that low.

Re: Why America has a school bus driver shortage

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The people saying there is a shortage of workers aren’t using the dictionary definitions. There is a shortage of people willing to accept their terms. There isn’t a shortage of people who want to work.

>There is a shortage of people willing to accept their terms. There isn’t a shortage of people who want to work. Would you also agree that there's no housing shortage in the US, only a shortage of houses available at locations and prices that people are willing to accept?

No, because we have land to build on and derelict buildings we can clear.

Either way your comparison is moot, as houses are not people, and as such cannot be treated badly and so decide it doesn't want to be bought/sold.

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