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Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
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Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#62This is why the web is so important: no app stores to pressure. It looks to be like this particular telegram bot could have been a web site?
A website which would get blocked instantaneously. Russia has an extensive censorship toolset available. They've blanket blocked a whole range of Cloudflare IPs at some point because they wanted a certain website behind Cloudflare shut down and didn't care about the collateral damage. Of course, such a block is easy to circumvent with a VPN, but if you need a VPN to access it then the service is essentially unavailab…
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Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it's "objective" from telegrams perspective. that's another way to say subjective if you aren't willing to admit it. the whole point of objective/subjective is that its supposed to be POV neutral.
How's it not objective, though? What if the request came from the EU or the US, to ban an account that was campaigning in local elections in violation of local election finance laws? Note that the ban is not even permanent! It's only for the last 2 days of the 3-day voting window. Campaigning was supposed to have been illegal throughout the whole 3-day period.
Because it is from his point of view.
It doesn't make the content false just colored by the authors point of view.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#64Regardless of whether these are the true reasons, Telegram being forced to ban a bot means Telegram can no longer be relied upon as a messenger.
They have two options:
1. Find a way around relying on Apple and Google's blessings
2. Make it technically impossible for themselves to ban someone like this again
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
A website which would get blocked instantaneously. Russia has an extensive censorship toolset available. They've blanket blocked a whole range of Cloudflare IPs at some point because they wanted a certain website behind Cloudflare shut down and didn't care about the collateral damage. Of course, such a block is easy to circumvent with a VPN, but if you need a VPN to access it then the service is essentially unavailab…
If your adversary is happy to block arbitrary network requests, why do they need to get the app removed from the app store? Can't they just block all requests it makes?
They obviously could, but these days everybody uses CDNs and shared resources so they'd probably end up blocking a lot more than just this app.
For instance the app could well function completely offline if it embedded the list of candidates it supports, it which case they'd have to block all requests to the Google Play Store which would be rather heavy handed and unpopular.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#66A very objective article, actually, and goes well to explain how this request to block the "voting app" isn't at all as controversial as portrayed in the Western MSM: > Second, this particular demand of the Russian authorities wasn't obviously unconstitutional, as they referred to a law that restricts campaigning after people start casting their votes. Laws against political campaigning while voting is underway exist…
Except that law does not apply for these elections that last several days https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4800223 The law allowing campaigning was passed in May 2021.
Your link contradicts what you're saying, no?
>Согласно закону, предвыборная агитация должна быть завершена в 00:00 по местному времени первого дня голосования.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#67Here is the thing: Durov lies. There is no law in Russia which forces him to ban that channel, and no concept of “silent days” anymore. Russian authorities has NEVER asked Telegram to remove anything. They pushed Google and Apple to remove links to Navalny application from search and from Apple Store (and Apple removes it only for Russia users, btw, unlike Telegram removes it for everyone), and Telegram was absolutel…
Sorry but this is you first post here and what you claim doesn't make much sense.
He didn't have to pay back the TON investors because the deal included that if the network does not go live by a set date (and the reason isn't telegrams fault) he would return the remaining of the investment not the part used for the development. This is the risk the investors took and they lost. telegram itself only had to pay the sec fine which was peanuts for Durov.
Don't know anything about you other claims so I cant debunk but please post sources so we can check for our self.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#68Regardless of whether these are the true reasons, Telegram being forced to ban a bot means Telegram can no longer be relied upon as a messenger. They have two options: 1. Find a way around relying on Apple and Google's blessings 2. Make it technically impossible for themselves to ban someone like this again
They ban bots all the time. Bots are consider public and have to comply with telegrams ToS and to an extent with Apple/Googles ToS. Problems here mostly are related to illegal data, copyright infringement and adult content. If they could not remove such stuff Telegram would have long been shut down or at least kicked from all app stores.
The same rules apply to any other app on the stores. No technical solution (encryption or whatever) would make this go away.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#69Regardless of whether these are the true reasons, Telegram being forced to ban a bot means Telegram can no longer be relied upon as a messenger. They have two options: 1. Find a way around relying on Apple and Google's blessings 2. Make it technically impossible for themselves to ban someone like this again
They do provide the apks on their website which dondon't have the app stores' rules upon them. You might try that.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#70While Telegram is seen as a "wild west" of free speech by many, its centralization and worrying lack of encryption for most "non-secret" chats is something to keep in mind when reading Durov's passionate claims.
- https://www.wired.com/story/telegram-encryption-whatsapp-set...
- https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/amp/multiple-encryption-f...
Also, the optional E2EE encryption is way more limited (e.g., single-device, rather than having a key sharing mechanism) than most other, possibly more genuine, alternatives (Matrix, Signal).
- https://telegram.org/faq#:~:text=Remember%20that%20Telegram%....