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Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by vb6sp6 »

nicbou wrote: post #44

I brought a Surface Go 2, and returned it within 3 days. The device was brilliant, but I couldn't get over its operating system, especially not on a mobile device. I hoped for a tablet I can do light dev work on, but I got a mediocre laptop without a keyboard. The open/edit/save process is good for desktop, but not for mobile. On mobile operating systems you open and close apps without thinking. On windows you first…

I like my go 1 but I use it more like a small windows laptop with a touch screen, not a tablet. Note taking in onenote is pretty good and about the only tablet-like thing I do with it.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by dgellow »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #30
dgellow wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We will have plenty of time to complain about it when Windows 11 is released. I would personally prefer to see discussions regarding the actual Surface devices in a Surface thread.

I see your point but the article is about the Surface and how it is made for Windows 11. As a consumer, what do I have to base it on today other than how they've changed Windows 10 for the worst. To me what you're saying is like telling me I can't form on opinion on Police Academy 6 based on what I thought of Police Academy 5,4,3,2 and 1.

That’s not my point. You can form the opinion you want. On HN submissions related to Microsoft or Apple have a very strong tendency to drift to a list of personal complaints people have regarding the company. Over time that’s a pain for people who want to discuss the actual topic of the submission, here a release of new devices, and not an operating system from 2015.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by dgellow »

elorant wrote: post #52
dgellow wrote: post #23

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I have to say that I do not understand the bad press around Windows 11. I'm using the dev channel since it's available and while things have been unstable (expected from a dev release), the user experience is clearly an improvement over the mess Windows 10 is. My machine doesn't feel slugish anymore, the Start menu and settings panel are finally usable, the new windows snapping features work quite well, managing exte…

How about scaling? Did they fix it because in Win10 it was horrendous.

What are you scaling? I’m not sure I understand your question without more context

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by dgellow »

1_player wrote: post #40
dgellow wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that I do not understand the bad press around Windows 11. I'm using the dev channel since it's available and while things have been unstable (expected from a dev release), the user experience is clearly an improvement over the mess Windows 10 is. My machine doesn't feel slugish anymore, the Start menu and settings panel are finally usable, the new windows snapping features work quite well, managing exte…

> the user experience is clearly an improvement over the mess Windows 10 is To me, it looks like another coat of varnish haphazardly and thoughtlessly painted on top of multiple layers on a crumbling, dry wall. A mishmash of ideas added on top of Windows 10, not an evolution and revolution and refactoring of what Windows is. Ah, and more telemetry and ads.

Yes, that’s not false. But it’s a nice coating, to continue your wall painting analogy. It’s way more coherent than Windows 8 or Windows 10. but it’s still fundamentally the same windows mess.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by mike_d »

hnbad wrote: post #54
mike_d wrote: post #2

Windows 11 seems to be a targeted competitor of iPad OS and just pretending desktops don't exist anymore. Hard to see the thinking in Microsoft's strategy here.

Meanwhile here I am on Windows 11 (via the dev channel) living the best life with my touch laptop that I use both for work and leisure. Can you explain what makes you think Windows 11 "pretends desktops don't exist anymore"? If it's the product line-up revealed at this Surface event: the Surface line is explicitly a line of touch devices, so the focus on mobility seems on par.

You actually hit the nail on the head. Touch devices do not make up the majority of existing Windows devices. My 43" monitor is never going to be touch.

It is like if Apple decided that a third of all interactions on the next iPad OS would require you to plug in a mouse.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by elorant »

dgellow wrote: post #63
elorant wrote: post #52

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How about scaling? Did they fix it because in Win10 it was horrendous.

What are you scaling? I’m not sure I understand your question without more context

Scaling is when you change the size of fonts, apps, etc. In Win10 if you chose anything above 100% everything becomes blurry. There's also a problem when you use multiple monitors with different resolutions. You move a window from one screen to the next and it doesn't scale properly. It's a known issue for some years, and I'd wish they solved it in Win11.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by elorant »

wayneftw wrote: post #58
elorant wrote: post #51

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I'm on the same boat. While .net development is a breeze, the Windows ecosystem is a drag. I wish they could provide a Windows for Devs edition that would be stripped down to the bare minimal. The problem with Windows is that it's trying to be everything for everyone. One OS for multiple devices, instead of separating mobile/tablet from desktop as Apple did. Thus every stupid idea they come with is embedded in all ve…

The last time I worked on a .NET Core (v2) project, I was able to do everything that I needed to on my Manjaro workstation. One thing that I missed was SQL Server Management Studio, but Azure Data Studio was more than good enough and it even had some nice features that SSMS lacked, like project folders and GIT integration. SQL Server itself ran just fine in a Docker container. A peer of mine is doing the same thing o…

Yeap, Azure Studio is good, and also fast. The latest SSMS is so sluggish.

Which IDE did you use to replace Visual Studio?

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by bigmattystyles »

elorant wrote: post #67
wayneftw wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time I worked on a .NET Core (v2) project, I was able to do everything that I needed to on my Manjaro workstation. One thing that I missed was SQL Server Management Studio, but Azure Data Studio was more than good enough and it even had some nice features that SSMS lacked, like project folders and GIT integration. SQL Server itself ran just fine in a Docker container. A peer of mine is doing the same thing o…

Yeap, Azure Studio is good, and also fast. The latest SSMS is so sluggish. Which IDE did you use to replace Visual Studio?

not comment Op - but vscode is great and portable. I've also used Rider but find myself going to vscode more and more, especially with ssh to folder to develop. That's a glaring omission in Rider - last I checked, they had this funky workaround but nowhere near as good.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by vitorgrs »

pizza234 wrote: post #20

Sadly, they've abandoned the Surface Book. This means that currently, there is no modern big tablet on the market. Besides, aside the outdated design, the Book is a very valid concept. They've enlarged the Surface Pro screen (now 13", half inch less than the 13.5" Book), but it has a subtly different design (that is, port-richer), which inevitable increases the weight to 880+g - uncomfortable for extended time tablet…

> there is no modern big tablet on the market.

iPad Pro is a thing.

Re: New Surface products, built for Windows 11

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Post by wayneftw »

elorant wrote: post #67
wayneftw wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time I worked on a .NET Core (v2) project, I was able to do everything that I needed to on my Manjaro workstation. One thing that I missed was SQL Server Management Studio, but Azure Data Studio was more than good enough and it even had some nice features that SSMS lacked, like project folders and GIT integration. SQL Server itself ran just fine in a Docker container. A peer of mine is doing the same thing o…

Yeap, Azure Studio is good, and also fast. The latest SSMS is so sluggish. Which IDE did you use to replace Visual Studio?

VS Code
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