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Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop?

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Re: Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop?

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This "year of the Linux Desktop" joke is getting a bit tiresome. What is missing exactly? Sure the desktop is a bit ugly. But pretty much everything works out of the box. If MS released a native Office for Linux I could get rid of my Mac.

Good calendar apps with solid integrations to Google Calendar, Zoom, Microsoft 365 Calendar, etc are missing. Using Fantastical on Mac. Have not found anything close to it for Linux :/

Re: Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop?

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Dual monitor setup is a huge problem with linux distros. I haven't found yet any DE that works out of the box. I'm really looking forward to KDE with official stable wayland support, until then 2021 is not the year of linux desktop

What's the issue with dual monitors and GNOME?

Try using monitors with different pixel densities and setting per monitor fractional scaling. It never works as good as it works on a Mac (not a Mac fan boy... I would rather move to Linux but here I am).

Re: Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop?

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I think 2022 has the potential to be the Year of the Linux Desktop due to the Steam Deck. Valve has promised that Proton will allow almost all Windows games to run on it. Guaranteed they'll also be working hard on SteamOS polish. If Windows 11 turns out to be messy, then gamers could consider Linux more attractive now.

Millions of people are using Linux via Android and Chrome OS, but I'm not sure the success of either of those has benefited the general Linux ecosystem in a meaningful way. I think the Steam Deck will be a similar situation. It's cool that it's Linux-based, but I suspect most users will just think of it as a Valve product and not really care about the internals.

The thing about the Steam Deck is that it's an x86 handheld computer. It can be docked to a monitor, mouse and keyboard to be a desktop. And the improvements Valve makes to SteamOS and Proton for the Steam Deck can be used on any other x86 PC. Unlike Android and Chrome OS, it is directly competing with Windows for PC gamers.

Re: Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop?

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This "year of the Linux Desktop" joke is getting a bit tiresome. What is missing exactly? Sure the desktop is a bit ugly. But pretty much everything works out of the box. If MS released a native Office for Linux I could get rid of my Mac.

> But pretty much everything works out of the box.

Things that didn't work out of the box "for me":

- Using multiple displays with mixed DPIs without wayland.

- Using wayland with nvidia (Even with the latest driver that supposed to give a half-baked support for it)

- On my HP laptop when I close the laptop lid, instead of suspend, it will turn airplane mode on. The only fix is to remap the key that send airplane mode to suspend.

- Multiple functions keys doesn't work, They don't even send keycodes so I can remap it.

I had to delve deep into Arch Wiki to fix most of my issues, at that point, I just gave up and installed windows 10.

Yeah, "everything works out of the box" should always be replaced by: "everything worked out of the box for me".

Re: Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop?

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Millions of people are using Linux via Android and Chrome OS, but I'm not sure the success of either of those has benefited the general Linux ecosystem in a meaningful way. I think the Steam Deck will be a similar situation. It's cool that it's Linux-based, but I suspect most users will just think of it as a Valve product and not really care about the internals.

The Android ecosystem has. Currently most mobile devices in the world run the Android Common Kernel, which is only a few patches of differences from mainline Linux kernel, plus proprietary drivers. Considering the current state of fully Linux phones, we'd have never had a shot at being the market leader on mobile otherwise. In Android 12-based devices these drivers will become simply plug-in kernel modules, so all de…

That's a good point, but I would ammend it slightly - Android might turn out to be a net boon for Linux enthusiasts in the next few years. I'm definitely super excited, but I still feel like the mobile Linux ecosystem is still not quite there just yet.

Re: Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop?

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I think 2022 has the potential to be the Year of the Linux Desktop due to the Steam Deck. Valve has promised that Proton will allow almost all Windows games to run on it. Guaranteed they'll also be working hard on SteamOS polish. If Windows 11 turns out to be messy, then gamers could consider Linux more attractive now.

Millions of people are using Linux via Android and Chrome OS, but I'm not sure the success of either of those has benefited the general Linux ecosystem in a meaningful way. I think the Steam Deck will be a similar situation. It's cool that it's Linux-based, but I suspect most users will just think of it as a Valve product and not really care about the internals.

Unlike Android and ChromeOS, The Steam Deck runs a vanilla KDE desktop and they explicitly support using it as such.

Re: Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop?

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A thing that still does not work well is fluid, resizable remote desktop in combination with fractional DPI scaling. X2GO enables the remoting part but does not work modern DEs[0]. Even then, there are bugs when remoting[1].

Also, MS Teams installed from the Ubuntu software store on Ubuntu 21.04 does not support screen sharing. You have to switch from Wayland to X11 to enable it. Even then it is missing features like selecting a single window to share, allowing others to highlight on your screen. It does not matter whether this is Microsoft's fault - Teams is a must have in many organizations and Canonical promotes the app in their store.

[0] https://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:de-compat

[1] What I have personally encountered: on KDE drkonqi crashes all the time when remote, on GTK-based DEs I get color management prompts and gnome-keyring breaks on local sessions - even worse, it seems to block for minutes then tell the caller that you don't have credentials instead of exiting with an error.

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