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Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by rejectedandsad »

albertop wrote: post #42
Gibbon1 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US somewhere around 50,000 children lost a parent or guardian. Couple of million lost a grandparent. I've known a higher than average number of people who lost a parent when they were children or teenagers. That's bad in a lot of different ways and has a life long impact. So I find people trivializing that to be gross and utterly appalling.

It is tragic but what this has to do with forcing kids to wear mask? Sweden hit zero COVID death months ago, even though they never closed elementary schools and did not require masks. Children bear an incredibly small health risk with respect to the virus. A recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association Pediatrics suggests “children continue to face a far greater risk of critical illness…

Masks help prevent the flu as well, for the record.

Given quarantine policies for exposures the easiest way to keep kids in schools is to make sure the adults around them are vaccinated and that they take precautions before then.

My state effectively hit zero Covid deaths too a few months ago and that was through vaccination.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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dstaley wrote: post #32
notimetorelax wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governor explicitly prohibited mandating wearing masks. He did not prohibit mandating dress code.

Right, but the executive order issued doesn't usurp the authority of a school district to require a dress code, and as such masks could technically still be required under that authority. I believe this is what's happening in some Texas schools as well.

I read that was happening in some Florida counties (I read it about a month ago, right as school began there). I didn't hear how it had gone over with the governor.

I think if you say "we won't fund you if you mandate masks," the mechanism for mandating them probably isn't very relevant. Mandating masks via dress code policy is still mandating masks.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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threatofrain wrote: post #2

> Miami-Dade County Public Schools, the fourth largest district in the United States, is among more than a dozen school districts that defied DeSantis to imposed mask. This week, the state Department of Education withheld funding from two of those districts. Also notably, https://www.npr.org/2021/09/08/1035157226/miami-covid-19-dea...

Also notably, from your article:

"Carvalho said that among the 13 deaths, the majority of people contracted COVID-19 and died before the beginning of the school year. One person had direct contact with students, he said."

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by Gibbon1 »

albertop wrote: post #51
Gibbon1 wrote: post #48

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> In addition, children are unlikely to spread the virus. That is something you have choose to believe.

Or not.

Epidemiologists and public health officials disagree with you on that.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by CamperBob2 »

gfor1011 wrote: post #50
rejectedandsad wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, we're already seeing what does make the difference - vaccines . Thank god we have a President with the balls to mandate them now.

It does not look like vaccines have made much of a difference in Florida: http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_ar... See the "vaccination impact" sections.

And I should trust information coming out of Florida because...?

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by kcplate »

dustintrex wrote: post #5

FWIW, the mask mandate ban appears to have precisely zero effect on the COVID situation in Florida, which has been steadily improving ever since schools opened. Here's a blog facetiously suggesting that not wearing masks in school caused the improvement, and while it's obviously written tongue in cheek, from a stats/causality point of view it's pretty much indistinguishable from a lot of arguments for masks. https://…

I can’t remember where I heard it, but some doctor was describing cloth and paper surgical mask effectiveness against Covid as “throwing a handful of sand at a chain link fence”.

N95 masks are supposed to be more like a wall. Except nobody really wears those as the cost about $2 each and you are only supposed to wear them for 3-4 days with proper sterilization between uses.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by perl4ever »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #40
rejectedandsad wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've experienced greater psychological harm by having their parents and grandparents get COVID. Basically the only place masks are a good idea is where the captive audience can't be vaccinated, which happens to be schools.

In the US somewhere around 50,000 children lost a parent or guardian. Couple of million lost a grandparent. I've known a higher than average number of people who lost a parent when they were children or teenagers. That's bad in a lot of different ways and has a life long impact. So I find people trivializing that to be gross and utterly appalling.

They weren't trivializing losing a parent; they were trivializing wearing a mask by comparing it to losing a parent. Or a teacher, I guess.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by lotsofpulp »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #60
lotsofpulp wrote: post #46

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Simply allowing actuaries to price in vaccinated versus non vaccinated into health insurance premiums would solve this problem very quickly.

Fewer young people would get the vaccine then

Why?

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by bruiseralmighty »

danielrpa wrote: post #47
bruiseralmighty wrote: post #33

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This is quite correct. All of the parts of the United States that actually work are absolute monarchies.

But you are not required to be under the full rule of the "kings" and "queens". I don't have much problem doing business with a "monarchy" if you want to call it this way. The problem is when all these "monarchies" are reporting to an ultimate absolute ruler you can't escape...

Yes. You're a bit vague in what you mean here, but I will assume that you mean a private monopoly like Google or the Coke-Pepsi duopoly.

I don't necessarily disagree with your take, but I take the same concept and run it one step further up the chain as an indictment of government as it is practiced today.

For example, we gave the responsibility of arbitrating disputes in a just way to a single monopolistic entity and then become surprised when this entity provides less justice (harsher sentences for drug crimes, racial/gender bias, etc.) for a higher cost (effectively impossible to represent yourself, lengthy trial periods, arbitration process that take so long and cost so much that 'lawfare' is a common parlance).

Monopolies are bad full stop. It is simply harder to replace the governmental kind.

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