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Trolls convinced journalists they were “abortion bounty hunters”

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Re: Trolls convinced journalists they were “abortion bounty hunters”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with Poe's Law is that the person invoking it is often just revealing their own biases. It's not impossible to imagine any number of people writing any number of things, it's a failure to calibrate your expectations about the likelihood of parody properly that's the issue. Journalists in particular should feel responsible to investigate likely satire before signal-boosting it. If they're actually disincen…

But this cuts both ways — you are exposing your own biases in believing it’s obvious satire. I hold the prior that most people writing on the internet are not doing it merely to get a rise out of liberals. I have also known men who became violent and angry when a women they had sex with decided to get an abortion. What’s different about this Reddit post? What’s supposed to indicate to me that it’s obviously in jest?…

The story is supposed to indicate that you should adjust that prior. If it's this easy for someone to trick us into getting mad, what other things are we still mad about because we don't yet know the trick? (When I first learned this lesson, I spot checked a few old controversies I was mad about, and a few of them had indeed been proven false without my knowledge.)

Re: Trolls convinced journalists they were “abortion bounty hunters”

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post #37

Trace Underwood looks like a douchebag here with his tone-deaf narrative. Women have their rights trampled upon in Texas, but let's focus on the "internet troublemakers" who draw attention to this situation using satire?

Can't more than one thing be important at any one time?

Undoubtedly. But, generally speaking, an unimportant thing and an important thing cannot be important at the same time.

I don't think that the "Internet troublemakers" did anything wrong, on the face of it.

Making a joke forum where you pretend that you're a Texan who is seriously bounty hunting women for the crime of abortion is no worse than, oh, Jonathan Swift writing an essay about how poor people could improve their situation by their children to be eaten by the rich.

If some people believed it, that's their problem.

Re: Trolls convinced journalists they were “abortion bounty hunters”

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this cuts both ways — you are exposing your own biases in believing it’s obvious satire. I hold the prior that most people writing on the internet are not doing it merely to get a rise out of liberals. I have also known men who became violent and angry when a women they had sex with decided to get an abortion. What’s different about this Reddit post? What’s supposed to indicate to me that it’s obviously in jest?…

The story is supposed to indicate that you should adjust that prior. If it's this easy for someone to trick us into getting mad, what other things are we still mad about because we don't yet know the trick? (When I first learned this lesson, I spot checked a few old controversies I was mad about, and a few of them had indeed been proven false without my knowledge.)

> The story is supposed to indicate that you should adjust that prior.

Sure, I get that.

> If it's this easy for someone to trick us into getting mad, what other things are we still mad about because we don't yet know the trick?

I appreciate what you’re trying to say, and indeed I am well aware of how many times I have been wrong. It has happened several times a day, at varying scales, for my whole life so far. It takes a lot to make me mad. People acting in bad faith and creating a hostile information environment just to prove that other people are gullible is one of the things that does it.

Re: Trolls convinced journalists they were “abortion bounty hunters”

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post #26

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I believe that tweet was intended as comedy.

Many people believe the caricatures Ask any politically independent or moderate person, and they can tell you everyone else only sees caricatures of the other side

Is "most people with X politics only sees caricatures" not a caricature?

Generalizing about one's political enemies is the pastime of all people, including "moderates".

Re: Trolls convinced journalists they were “abortion bounty hunters”

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The ease at which misinformation flows these days reminds me of a scene in "The Big Short", where Steve Carell's character says to a group of Wall Street investors, expressing his discontent for the profession, "I thought we were better than this. I really did."

I guess I shouldn't be so disappointed; I bought into all the "Blair Witch" hype twenty years ago. LOL

Re: Trolls convinced journalists they were “abortion bounty hunters”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people believe the caricatures Ask any politically independent or moderate person, and they can tell you everyone else only sees caricatures of the other side

Is "most people with X politics only sees caricatures" not a caricature? Generalizing about one's political enemies is the pastime of all people, including "moderates".

I would more greatly weigh the learned experiences of people who actually talk to the other side

Re: Trolls convinced journalists they were “abortion bounty hunters”

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Trace Underwood looks like a douchebag here with his tone-deaf narrative. Women have their rights trampled upon in Texas, but let's focus on the "internet troublemakers" who draw attention to this situation using satire?

There's been plenty of discussion on the Texas law, as indeed there has been on trans issues and the other bait they use. I'm much more interested in focusing on stories nobody else is covering, and "a bunch of low-effort trolls convince hundreds of thousands that people are gathering on reddit to plan bounty hunting" is a fascinating story that nobody was covering. Sorry it wasn't to your liking, but it's a story I…

Fact is, your article spends disproportionate quantity of words disparaging the behavior of the cynical satirists, compared to the aproximately zero words used to rebuke the Texas law which prompted that particular gambol of theirs.

It might appear as if you support Texas' stance on abortion, and want to defend it from some trouble-making Internet miscreants who dare to mock it.

You do not know every single one of these people or their motivations. Maybe for some, everything is "LOLZ", but maybe some are serious. This sort of community looks like something anyone could join, for any number of reasons.

(I'm aware that there are some groups out there who perpetrate real harm, like stalking and harassing individuals ("lolcows") who are selected by the group as a target.)

Re: Trolls convinced journalists they were “abortion bounty hunters”

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post #14

The journalist in this article, Steve Silberman has an entire Twitter filled with strongman rhetoric. I'm not really surprised someone with this style of rhetoric was so easily duped. I am concerned that he works for a major publication like Wired.

He's not my cup of tea either, but his bio is fairly impressive: https://www.stevesilberman.com/about-steve/
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