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‘Havana syndrome’ and the mystery of the microwaves

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ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #58
kritiko wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/31/are-us-officia... This New Yorker article from May alleges that somebody was hit on the grounds of the White House, one of the most heavily surveilled areas of the world... it's really hard for me to accept that there is a secret, highly portable tech that leaves no clear evidence and this is how it's being used.

there are more things in this world, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy technology-wise, we humans are just fancy cavemen with fire (also, we don't know that this is portable)

So, we should call the Ghostbusters?

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Post by jonplackett »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #16
jonplackett wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it’s currently just a test to see if it works & can be gotten away with. Does anyone know how powerful it would have to be and therefore how mobile it could be?

Why would you test it this way? And to be clear, "this way" means all over the world in many different places but always from afar and usually without any obvious way for the distant operators to know what the effects are. Surely you could either test it domestically or against low profile targets in situations where you could closely study the effects.

We're going too far down the conspiracy path now, but maybe they did that already and this is step 2?

Or maybe it's just aliens... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Post by Theory5 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #35

I say something like this every time I see a Havana syndrome article, but their summaries of the US National Academies of Sciences report is just ridiculous. >The panel looked at psychological and other causes, but concluded that directed, high energy, pulsed microwaves were most likely responsible for some of the cases, The panels ruling on a psychological cause was basically "all the available evidence fits it bein…

But a psycological cause wouldnt result in the damage found on the victims, right?

Didn't one doctor who examined some of these people describe damage that looked like "a concussion without a concussion"? I.e. damage to the brain you'd see on people who had conxussions, but they experienced no physical trauma?

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Post by Theory5 »

bjourne wrote: post #37

Od that Robert Baloh who with his colleague Robert Bartholomew has written a whole book on the subject - Havana Syndrome: Mass Psychogenic Illness and the Real Story Behind the Embassy Mystery and Hysteria - is only mentioned in passing. The author of the BBC article clearly believes that the microwave theory is more interesting than the mass psychogenic illness theory. I think it's embarrassing that mainstream media…

How many psycogenic illnesses are known to cause physical damage?

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Post by Theory5 »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #23
tiahura wrote: post #3

I would assume that shortly after Havana, most embassies installed equipment to detect sonic or microwave blasts. Given that we haven’t heard anything about these sensors being tripped, I’m going to assume anything after Havana is mass hysteria.

why the downvotes? mass hysteria is the most likely explanation, and would still be even if you had evidence of a couple non-hysteria related cases (Such is the power of nocebos), but we don't even have that.

It would be a likely explaination... if mass hysteria resulted in brain damage.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Theory5 wrote: post #63
boomboomsubban wrote: post #35

I say something like this every time I see a Havana syndrome article, but their summaries of the US National Academies of Sciences report is just ridiculous. >The panel looked at psychological and other causes, but concluded that directed, high energy, pulsed microwaves were most likely responsible for some of the cases, The panels ruling on a psychological cause was basically "all the available evidence fits it bein…

But a psycological cause wouldnt result in the damage found on the victims, right? Didn't one doctor who examined some of these people describe damage that looked like "a concussion without a concussion"? I.e. damage to the brain you'd see on people who had conxussions, but they experienced no physical trauma?

>But a psycological cause wouldnt result in the damage found on the victims, right?

A psychological cause absolutely could have physical effects. It'd be really hard to develop an ethical experiment to test if these specific injuries could have a psychological cause, but other damage has had such a cause.

Also, like two people had concussion like brain scans without knowing they had a concussion. They could have just unknowingly had a concussion, it's not like they had brain scans before and after the "attack" to compare.

This would have been part of the evidence the panel ruled could fit a psychological cause anyway.

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

Theory5 wrote: post #65
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why the downvotes? mass hysteria is the most likely explanation, and would still be even if you had evidence of a couple non-hysteria related cases (Such is the power of nocebos), but we don't even have that.

It would be a likely explaination... if mass hysteria resulted in brain damage.

First, I don't know of any "brain damage"; and second, yes, it can result in brain damage. Simplest way, by inducing insomnia, but there are many others.
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