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Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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walrus01 wrote: post #57
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

> Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world It's absolutely not. The amount of things that use the Linux kernel for critical network and infrastructure projects, that are mostly hidden to the public... Or that are built on a foundation of something with a clear Linux heritage. Windows is probably the most visible important piece of software with a GUI.

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by jwitthuhn »

eric__cartman wrote: post #58
BizarroLand wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, in Windows 10, I can type "calc" into the search menu and it will recommend and open the calendar app instead of the calculator app 2 out of 5 times. I will search for an app that I have installed and instead of opening the app it will open a bing search for the app that I have installed. It's so infuriating that if there were a M$ rep within arm reach I might be tempted to do violence towards them.

The search function in Windows 10 is pathetic. It almost seems like an April fool's joke that was left in place for too long. What is double stupid is that MS already had a working search built into the shell in Windows 7. It's like they don't understand that no one ever woke up one day and thought to themselves, "I hope I could search the web using the start menu in Windows".

I would suspect that someone on the Bing team woke up one day and thought to themself "I know exactly how to increase our search metrics"

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by mulmen »

walrus01 wrote: post #57
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

> Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world It's absolutely not. The amount of things that use the Linux kernel for critical network and infrastructure projects, that are mostly hidden to the public... Or that are built on a foundation of something with a clear Linux heritage. Windows is probably the most visible important piece of software with a GUI.

I don’t see how the GUI makes Windows less important. Windows is everywhere.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by marcodiego »

mulmen wrote: post #63
walrus01 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world It's absolutely not. The amount of things that use the Linux kernel for critical network and infrastructure projects, that are mostly hidden to the public... Or that are built on a foundation of something with a clear Linux heritage. Windows is probably the most visible important piece of software with a GUI.

I don’t see how the GUI makes Windows less important. Windows is everywhere .

> Windows is everywhere.

Not on the cellphone, smartv, router, supercomputer, webserver or tablet I use. Actually, they all run the same (with some customization) kernel.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by marcodiego »

clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

Microsoft has no threat on the desktop. Apple has a respectable slice but still small compared to Microsoft. With regard to linux... well, if ME, Vista and 8 couldn't bring it into a good position, I don't know what would.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by ptero »

dstaley wrote: post #40
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

You do realize this issue was on Windows 11, an unreleased operating system correct? I'm not saying Windows 10 hasn't had its share of critical issues, but I can't remember the last time Microsoft released widely a show-stopping bug to the LTS branch of Windows (that is, the branch you'd be using for "mission-critical" applications).

It is not any unreleased OS though. It is a major release of the most widely used desktop OS in the world, that presumably got through many layers of testing and was released to a small set of outside users before the final rollout less than 1 month away. One would expect a pretty solid state by then.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by brian_herman »

dstaley wrote: post #40
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

You do realize this issue was on Windows 11, an unreleased operating system correct? I'm not saying Windows 10 hasn't had its share of critical issues, but I can't remember the last time Microsoft released widely a show-stopping bug to the LTS branch of Windows (that is, the branch you'd be using for "mission-critical" applications).

Yeah, but I'm thinking this is a repeat of Windows Vista and I'll be able to stay on 10 for a while before they create Windows 12 which will be a much better release.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by pcdoodle »

This also creates trust issues in a lot of applications like Point of Sale, Machine Control Devices, Security and Automation Solutions, Motion Control Solutions, Etc.

I miss Balmer a little bit. Developers hate this shit. Have trust that if you support developers, they will advocate your OS.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by marcodiego »

errantspark wrote: post #23

It's so mind boggling to me that we're okay with this level of uncertainty about the systems we rely on every day. I run LTSC with updates disabled because the idea that something that's working one day would stop working the next drives me up the wall. I have a linux phone (which is awful) because at least when that breaks it's my fault and I can always just put it back into a known working state. I hate how my rela…

> ... we're okay with this level of uncertainty about the systems we rely on every day.

I'm not included in this "we". And I definitely pay a price for that by sacrificing some convenience. I'm sure the price would be lower if more people were willing to make the same sacrifices.

I can understand most end users being okay with that. Most are not educated to know the problems or alternatives. But developers should consider how contributions in code or money could improve competition and encourage development of better software for everyone.

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