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Media trust hits new low

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Re: Media trust hits new low

#61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm struggling to draw a link between journalism and the population being informed.

Edgy. What's your alternative?

A well balanced diet.

A knowledge of history, unedited video footage of actual events, common sense, scepticism (of everyone, not just the 'enemy').

I've talked to reasonably intelligent programmers who got upset at a politicians speech they'd never heard. All they did was read a paraphrase of it from their favourite media outlet (who happened to be ill-disposed towards said politician).

A lot of the `events` of 2020-2021 were captured on unedited video. Few people I've talked to bothered to watch it. They relied on journalists. Didn't stop them forming a strong opinion though.

And without a knowledge of history (and mine is admittedly basic), you have zero context.

Re: Media trust hits new low

#63

Um, no. You gain people's trust by being consistently worthy of trust. This article seems to think that trust is it's own fungible but inconvertible substance (the media has lost theirs, so someone else needs to give them some), rather than something that derives from an objective reality.

> You gain people's trust by being consistently worthy of trust.

People trust repeated liers all the time. And truth telling institutions are rarely most trusted popular ones.

Re: Media trust hits new low

#64
post #10

> How it works: Media outlets can continue to report reliable facts, but that won't turn the trend around on its own. What's needed is for trusted institutions to visibly embrace the news media. This is an extremely weird and disturbing conclusion. Orwellian even. What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems. That’s…

> What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems.

This is not a new phenomenon; it’s been happening for a looooong time. Look at the difference in how white and Black newspapers reported on the Tulsa race massacre [1]:

”More Than Two Hundred White and Colored Men, Women and Children Were Killed in the Bloody or Horrible Race Riots at Tulsa, Okla.”

vs.

“Two Whites Dead in Race Riot” and “Many More Whites Are Shot”

All factual headlines! But some of them pretty egregiously support one particular ideological position. This was a full century ago.

[1] https://blogs.loc.gov/headlinesandheroes/2021/05/tulsa-race-...

Re: Media trust hits new low

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post #10

> How it works: Media outlets can continue to report reliable facts, but that won't turn the trend around on its own. What's needed is for trusted institutions to visibly embrace the news media. This is an extremely weird and disturbing conclusion. Orwellian even. What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems. That’s…

Journalism is pay to play anyway.

If you aren't a mainstream politician, you literally have to buy ads to get coverage. Outside of politics it works this way as well. Heck, just look at games journalism.

News channels also hate absolutely anything that takes attention away from their content and their advertisers. Thus video games, dungeons & dragons, religion or anything else that holds the attention of masses of people are to be branded as societal evils.

The best thing that literally everyone can do is stop watching and focus on what's important in your life. Build the community around you.

Re: Media trust hits new low

#66

People have lost trust in the media. Let’s trick them by having completely out of touch CEOs talk it up. Perfection.

I audibly exclaimed "what the actual fuck?!" when I reached that part of the article.

We're in quite a pickle, and I don't know what to do, but I now know to be extremely suspect of axios.

Re: Media trust hits new low

#67

Um, no. You gain people's trust by being consistently worthy of trust. This article seems to think that trust is it's own fungible but inconvertible substance (the media has lost theirs, so someone else needs to give them some), rather than something that derives from an objective reality.

Why don’t people trust the media? Exactly this type of consistent ham fisted reasoning that any intelligent person can see right through which obviously demonstrates an agenda.

Intellectuals already see how news corporations are too busy serving their echo-chambers. Thus, the trust got eroded over the years and it has just gotten worse.

In order to be effective news source, you need to separate truth and opinion. Reporting stories even if they're uncomfortable for their own customer base goes directly against their business interest (revenue, clickrate, etc.). So echo chambers get louder. Trust is earned by consistently confronting difficult facts.

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Journalism is essential to Democracy! Trust us, we tell you the truth and you need us. ” -Journalists. Even George Washington had trouble with the press and lamented how often he was maligned and misrepresented in the papers. “He regarded the press as a disuniting, "diabolical" force of falsehoods, sentiments that he expressed in his Farewell Address.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington and the citation…

I'm not sure how you can have a healthy democracy without an informed populace (i.e. journalism).

> I'm not sure how you can have a healthy democracy without an informed populace

agree

> (i.e. journalism).

not the same thing.

Re: Media trust hits new low

#69
post #21
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not Orwellian. It is a net of trust.

It seems Orwellian to me to have CEOs in general in some arrangement to lend trust to the media. The incentives for any kind of accountability would seem to be even worse than they are today. What do you mean by a ‘net of trust’?

I suspect they are just referring to the basic social fabric, so to speak. If everybody has a variety of mostly trustworthy sources that act as implicit or explicit verifiers of each other, then everybody has a fairly robust ability to gather information about the world - including the trustworthiness of the various parts of their 'net'.

This sort of thing seems to have, however, somewhat broken down in recently years. At a minimum I think most people would say these networks are at least smaller and more insular than they were in the past.

If it's all in good faith, this might not be so terrible. If the aforementioned trusted CEOs faithfully and accurately are able to point out media they believe is trustworthy and keep an eye on those outlets, it could potentially work as a way to kick start the rejuvenation of these networks.

Now, this relies on these CEOs being both trusted and trustworthy. That is a fairly substantial assumption in my opinion.

But if it's all in good faith it's possible to read this as not Orwellian at all, but rather more informing a section of the community that there is something they can do for the community, and then asking them to do it.

Re: Media trust hits new low

#70
post #35

> Reversing the decline is a monster task — and one that some journalists and news organizations have taken upon themselves. They're going to need help — perhaps from America's CEOs. Is this a bad joke? Distrust of media is largely brought about because it is (mostly) in the private sector and therefore always puts the sustainability of its business model above objective reporting. We've known for a while now that ne…

France has a public agency, AFP, being the news arbiter (it’s the Reuters competitor). Yet, information is bullshit. They choose to report on some topics and not others, and they choose to publish extremely biased news without quoting the opposing side to interview their defense. Happens with the wage gap, happens with the Traoré, happens with Sarkozysm, happens with Fillion... It sways elections.

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