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Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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Pot smokers are worlds apart from 'drug addicts', which i presume you're equating with opiates or other highly physically addictive substances

yeap, so MURICA can legalize it first, secures the market, lobby "allies" into legalizing too, so it can become a global giant can't you see already the propaganda, the pro-'canabis' all around the world? a drug is a drug, my dear friend i seen many "pot" smoker in high school, they couldn't even concentrate properly during tests, they all failed miserable at society look, some even are being grabbed by amazon becaus…

> a drug is a drug, my dear friend

Surely then, there’s no difference between ibuprofen and fentanyl. After all, a drug is a drug.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#62

Some of the comments are assuming that all those who smoke pot are irresponsible or unable to do a job if they do smoke pot (this includes people who may only smoke at weekends/parties btw)

And also clearly have never been high enough to realize that they are more likely to be super paranoid and going 10 miles under the speed limit than driving through a fence or running over children. It’s not at all comparable to being drunk.

That’s bullshit. Someone rolled their car into my front garden at 70+ mph in a 30 mph limit on it.

The only good thing was it was at 3AM so there was no one around on a normally busy street to get wiped out.

And your whole attitude of irrational justification of it says you’re probably not capable of making a rational judgement about whether or not you should drive.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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As marijuana becomes increasingly legalized, I'm not sure why any company would continue to test for it, other than maybe using saliva tests to make sure workers aren't getting high on the job.

From a safety point of view, it’s difficult to test for marijuana intoxication. There’s a simple test any employer could do to test whether their forklift driver is drunk right now. The best a marijuana simple marijuana test can do is whether you’ve had it in the past few days.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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Well I am all in favor of legalizeing, but there is side effect: those who are smoking in public, cigarette but especially pot, must have harsh consequence. I go to some place in US and it is stinking everywhere on public streets. People can not force everybody to inhale their drug fume only because they want their high. Edit for clarifying: maybe a $200 fine is good point for starting, go up to $500 with repeating.…

Hopefully somebody introduces this. Weed stinks and people who smoke it outdoors are as much a nuisance as people who smoke cigarettes. Both should be legal but banned from any public places.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#65

Well I am all in favor of legalizeing, but there is side effect: those who are smoking in public, cigarette but especially pot, must have harsh consequence. I go to some place in US and it is stinking everywhere on public streets. People can not force everybody to inhale their drug fume only because they want their high. Edit for clarifying: maybe a $200 fine is good point for starting, go up to $500 with repeating.…

Hopefully somebody introduces this. Weed stinks and people who smoke it outdoors are as much a nuisance as people who smoke cigarettes. Both should be legal but banned from any public places.

To be consistent we would have to ban cars for the same reason too. At least near where people live or work.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#66

I'm not sure how one might reliably assess/assert impairment for a cannabis user. Traces can last for weeks and result in positive tests (blood analysis), even if the user isn't remotely stoned at the time. Don't know whether there's a breath test nowadays that indicates use in the past n hours, which might give a better idea of likely impairment.

It's not an idea I've explored seriously in any depth, but it seems like testing for capabilities required for a specific task might be a way to go here over actual drug tests.

Thus if it's determined that people need a certain reaction time to drive safely, that could be one thing tested.

Clearly setting the levels and the particular capabilities might well be contentious, but by aligning the test(s) with what's needed for the task it's fairer and in certain ways more robust: for instance, you could be under the threshold for alcohol/cannabis but if you combine that with legal medicines that cause drowsiness or simply happen to be extremely sleep deprived, you might pass a traditional test but the combined effects would lead one to fail a capability test.

It also helps in other ways too, such as fairly treating older people - you might be a sharp 75 year old and yet come up against some age limit. This let's you continue so long as you maintain the capabilities. Then if things start to change it's clear and takes some of the awkwardness out of the discussion about whether one is still fit for a job.

Of course the risk is that people are pseudoscientific or arbitrary in setting the capabilities to a level that doesn't align. We've all seen the unrealistic hiring prerequisites that managers ask for if left to decide (must have ten years experience of XYZ!) In the wrong hands these could be used unfairly (eg setting totally unrealistic levels precisely to screen out groups they don't want).

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#67

Well I am all in favor of legalizeing, but there is side effect: those who are smoking in public, cigarette but especially pot, must have harsh consequence. I go to some place in US and it is stinking everywhere on public streets. People can not force everybody to inhale their drug fume only because they want their high. Edit for clarifying: maybe a $200 fine is good point for starting, go up to $500 with repeating.…

Harsh? Like caning, or what?

Do you fart in public? Should your butt be plugged in public too?

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#68

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Decades of exposure to intentionally misleading propaganda is difficult to ignore. It becomes a part of the worldview, making it hard to even think outside that box.

True. But some part of that propaganda is from pot smokers themselves. Some enjoy the image of the laid-back happy carefree pothead. Their cult leaders (used to be) Cheech and Chong. Maybe they've just bought in to someone elses' worldview. But I don't think so.

There are a lot more people that do or have smoked pot, than those who base their identity on it. The cults were always a minority.

It's like the difference between a commuter on bike here in the Netherlands (more than 30% of all trips) vs the handful of cyclists in spandex with some fragile unsafe bike wanking about how light their bike is.

One is a cult, where it becomes part of someone's identity, one is just person trying to get to work.

We should have the discipline to realize that the people carrying the flag of anything are the least likely to be true representatives of the thing.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#69

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yeap, so MURICA can legalize it first, secures the market, lobby "allies" into legalizing too, so it can become a global giant can't you see already the propaganda, the pro-'canabis' all around the world? a drug is a drug, my dear friend i seen many "pot" smoker in high school, they couldn't even concentrate properly during tests, they all failed miserable at society look, some even are being grabbed by amazon becaus…

> a drug is a drug, my dear friend Surely then, there’s no difference between ibuprofen and fentanyl. After all, a drug is a drug.

yeap, that is why they specifically say:

> Ibuprofen can cause blurred vision, drowsiness, and dizziness. Do not drive or operate heavy machinery until you know how ibuprofen affects you

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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Just out of curiosity and this isn’t meant to be mean, but, what kind of harsh consequence do you think would be appropriate for imposing that smell?

Not gp, but I think a fine is pretty reasonable. Jogging in the park and inhaling pot constantly is getting really annoying. I know a number of families that moved to the burbs, and one of the reasons they voiced is the sharp increase is pot smell/smoke in the kids' playgrounds.

Joggers in parks are also annoying. Run in the woods, forest.
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