What would happen if all the Linux developers focused on making Linux super compatible and smooth on hardware that wasn't overtly antagonistic to the future of Linux?
Never have all Linux devs worked on anything exclusively.
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Isn't that a bit extreme? What is Apple doing that is so morally wrong that you can't give them money for a quality product?
Having thought through this extensively in my trip off Apple products: - They have doubled down on "build it in China" for everything, including labor practices that are... not ideal, at a minimum. "Dying for an iPhone" details their last decade or so of labor abuses, or at least "looking the other way while China abuses labor for them." - As a result of that, and their desire to sell into the Chinese market, they ha…
Given that you’ve researched it, what laptop brands would you recommend that aren’t made in china?
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That's not true at all. There's plenty of ARM platforms out there, especially in the Linux world they've been around a long time (does the Raspberry PI ring any bells? Or Nvidia Jetson? Or Freescale iMX6? Or Beaglebone Black?). Of course, they don't have M1 performance, but best in class performance was not a condition in you statement.
You're right I should have said an arm laptop. Microsoft have (had?) one and that's pretty much it.
The Pinebook Pro is an ARM laptop designed for Linux:
https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/
It doesn't have the performance of a MacBook, but it's also just $220 (when it's back in stock).
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It's good planning ahead for when Apple no longer supports perfectly fine old-ish machines. Both my mother and wife are now using Linux not because their computers broke but because Apple gave up on them.
How old are their machines? Apple's next MacOS version supports MacBooks Pros going back to 2015. Seven years is a pretty long support cycle.
On top of that I don’t think anything older than a core 2 duo is fast enough to use for web browsing, and most of those macs can be patched up to big sur using the various community patchers.
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#65It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?
It's good planning ahead for when Apple no longer supports perfectly fine old-ish machines. Both my mother and wife are now using Linux not because their computers broke but because Apple gave up on them.
Ummm, my daily driver is a 2012 iMac, still working fine and receiving updates with a replacement SSD. How old are we talking?
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It's good planning ahead for when Apple no longer supports perfectly fine old-ish machines. Both my mother and wife are now using Linux not because their computers broke but because Apple gave up on them.
How old are their machines? Apple's next MacOS version supports MacBooks Pros going back to 2015. Seven years is a pretty long support cycle.
> Seven years is a pretty long support cycle.
Linux and BSDs happily support decade+ hardware, and sibling comments say similar things for Windows, so not really.
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That's not true at all. There's plenty of ARM platforms out there, especially in the Linux world they've been around a long time (does the Raspberry PI ring any bells? Or Nvidia Jetson? Or Freescale iMX6? Or Beaglebone Black?). Of course, they don't have M1 performance, but best in class performance was not a condition in you statement.
You're right I should have said an arm laptop. Microsoft have (had?) one and that's pretty much it.
There are some nice Chromebooks in that space
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Why not get the Air? Are you optimistic that the touchbar will be fully supported?
Because I stupidly forget that something as stupid as a touchbar was created in the first place. Perhaps it'll be the Air in that case. Edit: worth noting that the Air is more likely to thermal throttle the Pro, which would be a major reason to go for the Pro. I support it'll be alright if it's mostly connected to a keyboard.
Go with the Air. It's not a huge difference in thermal performance as far as I can tell.
We're going to support the Touch Bar to make those machines useful, but given it's likely to be dead in the next generation, it's unlikely Linux will get any kind of ecosystem for it unless someone is really dedicated. I can only promise basic function key emulation (same kind of thing you get on T2 Macs with Windows/Linux), and it will take some time since that needs a couple bespoke drivers and we have bigger fish to fry first.
Then again, you could also wait for the next generation. As long as M1X didn't redo the GPU, which seems unlikely, I don't expect support for that chip to lag much behind M1.
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I bought my M1 refurbished from Apple, so far zero problems. https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished
I think the GP didn’t mean “in non-new condition”, but rather “from the secondary market, so that you aren’t giving Apple your money.” Getting a refurbished Mac from Apple still involves giving Apple money.
Also, supporting the secondary market, supports the primary market.
Additionally, being seen with Apple hardware supports Apple's legitimacy.
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#70What would happen if all the Linux developers focused on making Linux super compatible and smooth on hardware that wasn't overtly antagonistic to the future of Linux?
Never have all Linux devs worked on anything exclusively.
Linux and open source are always inefficient with its limited development resources. There are how many distros. Desktop systems. How many video editors? All free, and all in need of some development polish.
There is no one dominant firm/distro. This is an OS that can’t agree on a way of distributing applications across distributions: flatpack, snap…
It interesting That every M1 machine comes with an OS these people people are enthusiastically looking to replace with something better.
I think the issue for me with this is that it’s a lot of volunteer effort going to support a single machine vendor that is very wealthy and seems disinclined to help out.