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Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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I'd just like to point out the irony of the bolded, all caps statement in this article, "You’ll NEVER get rich by working for someone else", the recent HN frontpage article about how Tim Cook got a $750 million payout working for Apple, and that the title of this post is "All Personal Finance Experts Are Liars".

Being the ceo is sorta an exception to this.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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The goal of most personal finance experts is not to teach you to be mega rich, but rather to be average and while still being pretty average in terms of income, hours worked, and capability, remarkably comfortable to peers. > Yet you almost never hear the financial experts recommending that you start a business. Is the average business owner any better off? I know that there are plenty of successful business owners,…

> Is the average business owner any better off?

Obviously anecdotal, but not really IMO. I've bounced back and forth between being in business for myself and working for the man.

Between healthcare, saving for retirement, etc. things are really optimized against someone "pulling themselves up by the bootstraps" in this way. I've listened to the politicians in the US scream how important small business only to vote against that very interest (tax cuts for rich + corporate tax breaks).

I can't get good healthcare unless it's tied to my employment here. The healthcare I get independently is of lower quality for much, much more money out of pocket... Lord help you if you do something stupid and show a profit on your books... etc etc... The first 2-3 rungs of the "small business owner" ladder are missing by design.

If I had a family I would likely never consider being a business owner again due to the health implications, financial risk, and time commitment.

100% the average working Joe is better off.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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I dunno who his target audience is, but I assume that the majority around here are computer programmers with anywhere from $70k/year single income to maybe $500k/year dual income ? Financial advice in general sucks. But when we get into the specifics... such as any say $150k/year programmer or higher, the generic financial advice of 6 months saving + max out 401k plan works. ------- The plan for people at average, 50…

> max out 401k plan works What are the advantages of 401k instead of say dumping it into half-VOO half-crypto and making millions one way or another?

Tax advantages basically mean you make the dollars invested inherently worth more

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the masses got rich, inflation would set a new baseline. In short, if everyone is rich, no one is ... it's just normal wealth.

Exactly what I was getting at.

Yes, but laying it out can help the point.

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This seems like a good place to be vulnerable and ask for advice. I am 35 and still spend like in a teenager. I grew up really poor where if the money didn’t get spent right away it would just sort of disappear, into drugs or beer or whatever my mom and stepdad were spending it on. My only real asset is my house which has appreciate significantly in value, but all it would take is one job loss to get me behind on tha…

I would put money in a 401K or IRA that has a real penalty of withdrawing and takes time to withdraw as to deincentivize yourself from spending. Remove yourself from your financial equation. If you have a significant other and they are better with money have them manage both of your finances.

You need to have money removed from your account and into investment accounts automatically before you have a chance to spend it. Money in checking or saving will get spent.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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Part of the discussion should be, can the 'masses' "Generate income not based on hours worked", "Minimize taxes", and "Leverage time and debt to become wealthy like the personal-finance gurus themselves did?"... in other words, is becoming wealthy possible? It is worth being honest about the false hope these authors are peddling about "becoming wealthy", instead of what they are really advising which is, to become ab…

Definitely not everyone, but most people in America can become millionaires (inflation adjusted) within their lifetimes.

Saving $100 per week should be possible for most households today. $100 per week over 40 years with an 8% return is $1.3m.

If you think the market will be slower in the future, or higher inflation, or whatever, use the absurdly conservative 6% and it’ll take 50 years instead of 40.

Add in the possibility of home ownership giving an additional asset to add to the net worth over the investing lifetime, giving an extra few hundred thousand… and in forty years from now, we’re well over $1m in assets, easy.

Getting $100/week might seem daunting, but that’s less than 10% of the median household income — totally within reach of a majority of people with some small changes.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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post #43

This seems like a good place to be vulnerable and ask for advice. I am 35 and still spend like in a teenager. I grew up really poor where if the money didn’t get spent right away it would just sort of disappear, into drugs or beer or whatever my mom and stepdad were spending it on. My only real asset is my house which has appreciate significantly in value, but all it would take is one job loss to get me behind on tha…

What you're describing sounds to me like a mental health issue. Sounds like you've hacked a dopamine reward loop and now can't stop it.

Have you tried therapy?

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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I'd just like to point out the irony of the bolded, all caps statement in this article, "You’ll NEVER get rich by working for someone else", the recent HN frontpage article about how Tim Cook got a $750 million payout working for Apple, and that the title of this post is "All Personal Finance Experts Are Liars".

Considering the majority of CEO pay is in company equity, they are working for themselves.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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Part of the discussion should be, can the 'masses' "Generate income not based on hours worked", "Minimize taxes", and "Leverage time and debt to become wealthy like the personal-finance gurus themselves did?"... in other words, is becoming wealthy possible? It is worth being honest about the false hope these authors are peddling about "becoming wealthy", instead of what they are really advising which is, to become ab…

While not everyone’s household has a practical probability to become a millionaire household, I think a quarter of them could without inordinate difficulty (around 10% already have and some of the 90% are well on their way, but are younger households and so have time and growth ahead of them)

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post #43

This seems like a good place to be vulnerable and ask for advice. I am 35 and still spend like in a teenager. I grew up really poor where if the money didn’t get spent right away it would just sort of disappear, into drugs or beer or whatever my mom and stepdad were spending it on. My only real asset is my house which has appreciate significantly in value, but all it would take is one job loss to get me behind on tha…

> I wish I could put money into an account that would then only disburse small amounts of it over the year, and I couldn’t override that.

This isn't financial advice, but what you want is definitely possible with defi and smart contracts. I'm not sure what in the ecosystem has this capability, but there's a good chance you can get a bit of interest too.

Just stay away from USDT if you're planning to have payouts happen over the long term; USDC would be a safer bet.

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