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Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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krastanov wrote: post #51
swayvil wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For another example of such totalitarian shenanigans consider the practice of "shadowbanning" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning Ostensibly used for spam/troll countermeasures. In practice used to dick with whoever they choose for whatever reasons please their black little hearts. Reddit and Twitter are notorious for it. Other "social media" organisms too. AND ANOTHER MORE IMMEDIATE EXAMPLE Consider the w…

How is this different from booing you for saying something stupid/wrong (or otherwise disliked even when smart/true) in a public venue. If anything, downvoting seems more honest and less "censorish" than booing, because you still get a chance to respond.

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Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by lmilcin »

malwarebytess wrote: post #33
edoceo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malicious?

Sort of. It's like shadowbanning/hellbanning. It solves a lot of problems for moderators and prevents angry people from escalating the situation into actually being banned. I've used it before as a moderator. For the above reasons, but mostly because I'm lazy and don't want to deal with angry people. Still censorship though. I think that ideally censorship ought to be communicated.

>because I'm lazy

Yeah, you described it well.

Start by understanding, Mr Moderator, there is a hell of a lot of difference between public posts and private messages.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by snet0 »

mgraczyk wrote: post #3

The censorship is intentional on the part of Facebook, but the "silent" part is a frontend bug on messenger.com (possibly also the app). Normally it shows you a red "error" indicator next to the message that says something like "this goes against our community guidelines. The error can be seen in some of the screenshots. It briefly shows "couldn't send" and if you refresh the page the messages disappear forever.

Without wanting to wade into the discussion, it is interesting that this comment has no replies as of yet.

It's almost as though, to a lot of people commenting, discussion about fact isn't the intention. We're just here for the daily shit on Evil Corp.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by lmilcin »

ScaleneTriangle wrote: post #64

This is a bug. The intended behaviour is to notify the user that tried to send the link. Doesn't make it okay.

I don't buy it.

It is always "a bug" or some other excuse. Then we find out later it wasn't a bug after all.

If you lie frequently enough you loose right for benefit of the doubt.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by seattle_spring »

swayvil wrote: post #40
blunte wrote: post #18

It's one thing to censor, but it's another to intentionally deceive your users into believing that they sent something.

For another example of such totalitarian shenanigans consider the practice of "shadowbanning" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning Ostensibly used for spam/troll countermeasures. In practice used to dick with whoever they choose for whatever reasons please their black little hearts. Reddit and Twitter are notorious for it. Other "social media" organisms too. AND ANOTHER MORE IMMEDIATE EXAMPLE Consider the w…

Moderation is not the same as censorship.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by Nextgrid »

cryptoz wrote: post #41

Microsoft silently censored MSN chats 20 years ago. Couldn't talk about PHP programming easily because any message with 'index.php' was silently dropped. Blew my mind they would dare do that, but I've since learned this is common practice at all major chat apps. If they don't like a message you are sending they are likely to silently drop it and let you think it was delivered. Just no care at all for the user experie…

I'm curious, what would be the reason behind banning index.php, especially considering it was a common feature of links at the time?

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by lmilcin »

omginternets wrote: post #49
graeme wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News does it. Reddit does it sitewide. Individual moderators do it sitewide. Shadowbanning is an essential tool for moderation, for dealing with trolls, spammers, abusive people. You can argue the tool is being used too widely by Facebook, but it is silly to pontificate against the practice as a whole. You reaaaaallly would not like the uncensored internet.

>You reaaaaallly would not like the uncensored internet. Respectfully, speak for yourself.

People don't seem to understand the ramifications.

I prefer truth to being enslaved into conformance by "the algorithm".

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