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Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by gruez » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 1:22 PM UTC

shadilay wrote: post #54

PixelOfDeath wrote: post #14

With the introduction of QLC consumer SSDs, with worse write endurance and life time but the same price as TLC, I took a look at used enterprise SSDs and never looked back. The only issues is the connectors. You need 8x PCI-E lanes (4x might work) or a SAS connector that nearly no consumer board has.

QLC is complete trash and should never be used outside of a WORM architecture in a larger pool. That they are trying to force it on consumers is criminal. Same with SMR.

>QLC is complete trash and should never be used outside of a WORM architecture in a larger pool.

Not everyone is a creator editing/rendering 4k videos. For the typical surfer/office worker/gamer QLC drives are fine because they rarely need to dump 50+GB of writes at a time. What you're suggesting is basically "ban all atom processors because they're criminally slow!"

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by YetAnotherNick » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 1:36 PM UTC

bserge wrote: post #22

In light of the chip shortages everyone is talking about, I've been scratching my head about all the laptops, desktops and AIOs on the market - there are millions of them, from dozens of manufacturers (or so it seems). All soldered down but using modern chips from Intel and nVidia, same chips everyone claims are in short supply. Who is buying these things? What happens to them when they're not sold? Where are all the…

Yes, why does the chip shortage only effect high end card/car chips. I would be pretty darn surprised if laptop/smartphones have less number of chips than cars, still the former industry doesn't seem to be affected by chip shortage even though they sell a lot more pieces for lot less price so the later industry would be willing to pay more per chip.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by blendergeek » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 1:37 PM UTC

sokoloff wrote: post #59

PixelOfDeath wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samsung will give updates for a maximum of 5 years. So all the security holes or missing root certificates (for HTTPS connections) of the integrated browser stagnate after that. Then you have to use a raspberry PI or some other mini computer to get the same use out of it. And then why use a "smart" TV in the first place?

I want all the smarts to be outside my display device. If my TV is acting smarter than what’s needed to do the HDCP handshake, I’m not going to be happy.

> If my TV is acting smarter than what’s needed to do the HDCP handshake, I’m not going to be happy.

I am not happy my TV does an HDCP handshake. My device should not enforce someone else's rules.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by comprev » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 1:38 PM UTC

reacharavindh wrote: post #58

option_greek wrote: post #31

I used to work in their SSD vertical on the software side. For what it's worth, SSD/memory business unit is their pride. They never used to cut corners and do rigorous testing to ensure their customers aren't screwed over. Even when a bad batch of SSDs were shipped by mistake, they would recall/refund all of them proactively. When ever a new model is released, they would first ship limited units to a set of SSD enthu…

A serious question. I use a “Smart TV” without any internet connectivity whatsoever. Never let it connect to my WiFi, neither did I connect Ethernet. This way I am happily enjoying a high quality “dumb TV” that I always wanted. Are all the complainers in HN really letting their TV connect to Internet (inspire of knowing all the crap TV manufacturers have been pulling all these years?!)

My TV required connectivity during setup and then removed the config afterwards. About a week later I noticed the "home screen" showing adverts and somehow the Android TV had "auto-magically" reconnected. Had to change the WiFi password to avoid reconnecting.

That reaffirmed my stance on Smart TVs remaining dumb in my house. Netflix through the Xbox only!

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by lotsofpulp » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 1:39 PM UTC

hkmurakami wrote: post #55

option_greek wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In meant in terms of durability and quality. We used to by a lot of Samsung electronics (along with TVs) through employee discounts and the failure rates among the TVs are always high. So much so that we used to joke about that there is a "if condition" that some how causes the pcb to fail in first month after first year (TVs used to have 1 year warranty).

I mean, Sony also has a long reputation with similar issues — dubbed the Sony Timer

My perception of Sony is that they sell higher quality products. Sometimes only slightly higher, maybe not enough to offset the price premium if there is one, but I assume all their higher end stuff is top notch.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by mhb » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

Cederfjard wrote: post #52

gregd wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they meant bread & butter? But OP only used the word "pride", so yeah, it's a little confusing what this commenter meant.

I think it should be read as a contraction of ”pride, and bread and butter”.

Or a portmanteau of "pride and joy" and "bread and butter".

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by sokoloff » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 1:43 PM UTC

blendergeek wrote: post #63

sokoloff wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want all the smarts to be outside my display device. If my TV is acting smarter than what’s needed to do the HDCP handshake, I’m not going to be happy.

> If my TV is acting smarter than what’s needed to do the HDCP handshake, I’m not going to be happy. I am not happy my TV does an HDCP handshake. My device should not enforce someone else's rules.

I’m not either (and debated rephrasing that), but at this point, I do want to be able to watch content that currently requires HDCP, so…

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by wickoff » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 1:50 PM UTC

reacharavindh wrote: post #58

option_greek wrote: post #31

I used to work in their SSD vertical on the software side. For what it's worth, SSD/memory business unit is their pride. They never used to cut corners and do rigorous testing to ensure their customers aren't screwed over. Even when a bad batch of SSDs were shipped by mistake, they would recall/refund all of them proactively. When ever a new model is released, they would first ship limited units to a set of SSD enthu…

A serious question. I use a “Smart TV” without any internet connectivity whatsoever. Never let it connect to my WiFi, neither did I connect Ethernet. This way I am happily enjoying a high quality “dumb TV” that I always wanted. Are all the complainers in HN really letting their TV connect to Internet (inspire of knowing all the crap TV manufacturers have been pulling all these years?!)

I watch YouTube and play music through my TV. I have no choice.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by sho_hn » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 1:55 PM UTC

treyfitty wrote: post #36

option_greek wrote: post #31

I used to work in their SSD vertical on the software side. For what it's worth, SSD/memory business unit is their pride. They never used to cut corners and do rigorous testing to ensure their customers aren't screwed over. Even when a bad batch of SSDs were shipped by mistake, they would recall/refund all of them proactively. When ever a new model is released, they would first ship limited units to a set of SSD enthu…

Samsung’s pride and butter is their SSD group? I find that hard to believe… they provide a range of products, including cars (they dominate the SKorean auto market), as well as financial services (in S Korea). In America, they have TVs, and cell phones. I find it very hard to believe SSDs are their pride and butter

Samsung does not dominate the South Korean car market. They own an important supplier in Harman and they're doing their best to sell automotive grade SKUs of their Exynos SoCs, but they don't act significantly as an OEM or anything.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by gambiting » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 1:55 PM UTC

wickoff wrote: post #68

reacharavindh wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A serious question. I use a “Smart TV” without any internet connectivity whatsoever. Never let it connect to my WiFi, neither did I connect Ethernet. This way I am happily enjoying a high quality “dumb TV” that I always wanted. Are all the complainers in HN really letting their TV connect to Internet (inspire of knowing all the crap TV manufacturers have been pulling all these years?!)

I watch YouTube and play music through my TV. I have no choice.

....how? There are literally hundreds of devices that will offer YouTube playback and music for as little as £30-40.

Whether it's a good idea or not is a different matter entirely, but the notion that you "have no choice" is just silly. Is someone forcing you to watch YouTube through your TV?