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Are you proposing forced sterilization of people that have received their longevity treatments?
There's a good sci fi novel by Bob Shaw that has this trade off. "One Million Tomorrows" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1025074.One_Million_Tomo...
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It does puzzle me that most reactions to these problems are not "let's solve them", it is "I want people to die".
Let's have your proposed solutions then given our present day limitations. I'm all ears.
Judgement of Aubrey de Grey aside, I constantly find it weird that so many people, even on HN, don’t understand why some would want to live an especially long time.
Judgement of Aubrey de Grey aside, I constantly find it weird that so many people, even on HN, don’t understand why some would want to live an especially long time.
Some of us are so so damn tired, and end is something to look forward to.
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I have also noticed this. Obviously life extension would create a bunch of problems (wealth accumulation, overpopulation) as well as solving others (short term thinking, cost of medical treatment in old age). But the vast majority of people in my experience instantly reject it citing some possible problem that might arise, and no further discussion can usually be had with them. I've come to believe that the subject o…
It's very funny to call those that don't believe life extension should or will happen irrational. I think you have your parties mixed up. Thinking about something does not automatically make you rational, nor does thinking that something should happen. I don't think it is realistic, if for whatever reason it does happen I think we are not ready for it. That's all there is to it.
I am saying that in my experience, most people do not want to discuss it at all. They will bring up some obvious possible problem that might be caused by it, and then refuse any further discussion.
I think (but don't know) that this is an irrational reaction to the topic of mortality.
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There's a good sci fi novel by Bob Shaw that has this trade off. "One Million Tomorrows" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1025074.One_Million_Tomo...
So that's a 'yes' then.
In this story, the sterilisation (and complete loss of sexuality) is an inevitable consequence of the treatment, not something forced on you. But only males lose sexuality, while women do not. It sets up some interesting tensions.
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Gödel was very mentally unwell (what seems like severe hypochondria and probably other things as well) but he definitely was not a crank.
This, crankery (in mathematics) has a rather specific meaning, there's even a book: https://bookstore.ams.org/spec-4
The book you link to talks about mathemathical crankery, but a mathematician would most likely be a non-mathematics crank, as crankery usually requires a lack of / limited understanding of the field and subject. Although there are some strange cases e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Branges_de_Bourcia
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It would give strong incentives for long term thinking, which would help solve many of the issues we currently face.
Alternative take. The 'haves' would get rid of the have nots because the have nots are the biggest risk to their continued existence. And in one fell stroke also solve all those issues. Why bother will billions when a few million slaves will do? Seriously though, this is all just wishful thinking, it isn't going to happen. You, like all those before you will die, probably at an age well below 100. And by that time yo…
I'm getting the feeling that you aren't interested in debating it at all. You've made your point repeatedly that you think it's a bad idea. So I guess we'll just leave it there.
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This, crankery (in mathematics) has a rather specific meaning, there's even a book: https://bookstore.ams.org/spec-4
Crankery is crankery. The book you link to talks about mathemathical crankery, but a mathematician would most likely be a non-mathematics crank, as crankery usually requires a lack of / limited understanding of the field and subject. Although there are some strange cases e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Branges_de_Bourcia