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Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app

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Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app

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Post by simondotau »

mozey wrote: post #30
Barrin92 wrote: post #24

I still don't understand what people's hate for electron is. As someone who uses Windows, Linux and on occasion a mac it generally means you get a fairly consistent experience across all platforms and often it also means the linux version doesn't actually suck or you actually get linux support in the first place. Which is always a big plus for me. Also I feel like the performance is decent at this point. For a fully…

Recently switched to VSCode from Jetbrains IDEs on MacBook Air M1, amazed at how much faster my editor boots up, and generally also more responsive. Haven't noticed any memory issues either, I only have 8GB RAM

Just when you thought the cycle of slower software gobbling up the gains of faster CPUs couldn't possibly continue forever...

Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app

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Post by mbjdesign »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #16
mbjdesign wrote: post #4

The indictment here that Agilebits was willing to go above and beyond to maintain native code on both iOS and macOS yet couldn’t justify it even after going all-in on SwiftUI for iOS is striking. It demonstrates just how hard cross-platform is and how far off Apple are with getting SwiftUI to ubiquity.

It's not cross platform if all it does is IOS and mac. Apple doesn't want cross platform on any other platforms than their own. However, many app developers have to worry about windows, Android, IOS, Mac, Web. Very few organizations are willing to have dedicated platform specific teams and want to deal with keeping multiple such teams aligned. Apple's strategy of raising the walls around their walled garden ever high…

'Cross-platform' in the sense that it has to accommodate mobile and desktop which is certainly one of the hardest bits of cross-platform. I know true cross-platform is infinitely harder because the differences go all the way through the OS and down to CPU architecture.

I too would like to see where WASM can go. I think that combined with cross-platform "cores" like Agilebit's use of Rust could be a very viable solution longterm.

Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app

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Post by tpush »

Barrin92 wrote: post #24

I still don't understand what people's hate for electron is. As someone who uses Windows, Linux and on occasion a mac it generally means you get a fairly consistent experience across all platforms and often it also means the linux version doesn't actually suck or you actually get linux support in the first place. Which is always a big plus for me. Also I feel like the performance is decent at this point. For a fully…

It's generally just a tiny portion of hard core Mac fans. The vast, vast majority of users (most of which use Windows) doesn't care at all.

Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app

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Post by Kaibeezy »

simondotau wrote: post #51
Kaibeezy wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If their Mac app has been sherlocked to death , why wouldn’t this make you feel more sympathy? Do you think Apple knew AgileBits was dropping their Mac version and stepped into the opening? Or did AgileBits step back once it became pointless to compete with an upcoming OS feature?

These significant upgrades to iCloud Keychain are still in beta (macOS Monterey and iOS 15). If AgileBits' announcement represents their response to a competitor that hasn't even released yet, if it means they're diminishing their own product before the competition has even arrived, then I would have zero sympathy for them. Quite frankly that seems an absurd hypothesis. In the face of competition from Apple, the corr…

Wellll... Apple is something more than a competitor in this situation. Their own OS; world’s most valuable and profitable company; and so forth.

I can hear the AgileBits marketing department theme song / threnody... https://youtu.be/9yQKDj_V4Gk

Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app

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Post by simonh »

brutopia wrote: post #45
simonh wrote: post #42

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>We, macOS users, are just not the target audience anymore. I'm not entirely sure this is indicative of that, I mean what were they supposed to do? SwiftUI is clearly the right choice for iOS, but if they use it on Mac they would have to develop a separate implementation for older Macs, and anyway they hit problems where SwiftUI just flat out isn't mature enough on Mac anyway. The only other alternative would have be…

Swift code runs on older macs so no need to go objc

SwiftUI only runs on MacOS 10.15 or later.

Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app

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Post by simonh »

vmladenov wrote: post #48
simonh wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We, macOS users, are just not the target audience anymore. I'm not entirely sure this is indicative of that, I mean what were they supposed to do? SwiftUI is clearly the right choice for iOS, but if they use it on Mac they would have to develop a separate implementation for older Macs, and anyway they hit problems where SwiftUI just flat out isn't mature enough on Mac anyway. The only other alternative would have be…

> The only other alternative would have been to rewrite the native client again in ObjC They had a macOS native client that was running beautifully and was a reference example of high-quality Mac software. I can understand wanting to improve the backend but the rewriting of the UI was an entirely unforced error. And it’s made extra clear that they’ll expend effort for a native app on a platform their business is worr…

It looks like they're doing a pretty comprehensive rewrite, so sticking with the legacy client isn't an option.

Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app

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Post by lycopodiopsida »

cpressland wrote: post #15
lycopodiopsida wrote: post #13

Arguably, Agilebits just focuses more on enterprise customers now. The interesting thing about enterprise users is that you don’t care that much about UX anymore. Your users have no choice and software is bought by management based on some metrics and marketing demos. We, macOS users, are just not the target audience anymore. I would argue, that the current company is only a shell of the former Agilebits, which hones…

We’ve been a 1Password for Business customer for about 3 years. But we’re looking at moving to something like BitWarden because it has true SSO support, while 1Password doesn’t. 1Password has been very clear this is a feature they’re not interested in supporting, and our users have been very clear that remembering a second password and secret key for their password manager is too difficult. AgileBits is presenting it…

>But we’re looking at moving to something like BitWarden because it has true SSO support, while 1Password doesn’t.

That is what I am curious about, too: starting the the v8 of 1Password I just can't justify paying premium for 1Password anymore as a mac user who has a family account. Both have Electron clients and cloud-only vaults, but Bitwarden subscription is 40USD/yr., and 1Password charges 60USD/yr.

In my opinion 1PW just lost any advantage it had, at least for non-business users.

Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

vmladenov wrote: post #57
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. VSCode isn’t bad.

VSCode is only fast by IDE standards whereas functionality-wise it’s more an extensible text editor. It lags even at the modest task of resizing its own window, where the UI just freezes at its original rectangle and waits until you release the window. No native app I use behaves like this. This is even before mentioning the innumerate pop-up s that all have different, inconsistent styling. As an application it’s abs…

I'm in the process of adding "lipstick to the pig," so to speak, on the app I've been developing for quite some time, now.

It's not done, but we are at the point where we can start trotting it out to people from whom we are begging money, so I want it as polished and refined as possible.

This means lots of "little" things, like smooth transitional animations, fast operations, threaded behavior, etc.

Native is good for that. It's lookin' pretty good. No compromises.

Re: Not important enough: 1Password abandons its native Mac app

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Post by veidr »

tpush wrote: post #21

Well, I guess it's hard to care about (platform-)native apps and toolkits when cross-platform apps are generally winning these days (VSCode, Figma etc.) over native Mac apps, even on macOS itself. Plus most new apps by Apple these days are horribly bad. People say native toolkits result in better performance and features etc., but I'd take all electron apps of this world instead of Apple's absolutely garbage Music ap…

You are right; this app is even worse than iTunes, which was widely considered the worst app Apple ever shipped.

However, this app is almost like "Apple's home-made Electron". It uses web views for the majority of its UI, and doesn't even pre-fetch things either, so each new tab is an exercise of stoicism, and usually underperforms the actual web-page version of Apple Music (https://music.apple.com).

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