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Re: Tell HN: Dont upload these images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn

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zepto wrote: post #17
victor871129 wrote: post #2

These harmless generated images have a neuralhash equivalent to those provided in the NCMEC database submitted for testing. I repeat: Dont upload these harmless images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn (CSAM). Scripts were available on a GitHub repo but were removed because they may cause damage to others.

> Dont upload these harmless images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn (CSAM) This is not true. They may match the hash, but the will not match the visual derivative. The system is not as easily fooled as you think.

We've learned from YouTube how well matching content works well. Apple will be better right? Right?

Re: Tell HN: Dont upload these images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn

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yesbabyyes wrote: post #34
411111111111111 wrote: post #24

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Some? Literally all are clearly based on pornography. First is veg&butthole, then boobs, next is doggy style etc etc (edit: it seems the order isn't consistent. So I'm likely seeing different images then you.) You can go through them all and see the original pornography if you look at the shapes. To me, it looks more like they started with the real images and tweaked them to make them artsy.

I don't know, this sounds a bit like a Rorschach test to me.

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Re: Tell HN: Dont upload these images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn

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yreg wrote: post #41
YokoSix wrote: post #31

Someone please post this to the Apple subreddit. I'd love to see hell breaking loose over there.

What do you mean by "hell breaking loose"? /r/Apple talks about this topic a lot and, similar to HN, is not happy about it. This drive link brings very little additional light to what was already known and discussed.

The sub is in crisis mode right now. Normally a huge pro-apple even on their worst days do no wrong sub. Right now people are pissed and speaking up. The mods are pissed that they have to deal with it (boo hoo). Anything to add fuel to this fire is good in my eyes because the same people who said "It's ok I have nothing to hide" from Edward Snowdens work are getting slapped in the face for their same ideology to this happening to Apple.

Re: Tell HN: Dont upload these images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn

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Post by emerged »

I think someone needs to play big techs own game and find some cases where this algorithm underperforms based on race or gender, publish a bunch of clickbait articles and get the whole program canceled. Erosion of privacy and authoritarianism isn’t enough to gain traction.

Re: Tell HN: Dont upload these images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn

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Post by jareklupinski »

threatofrain wrote: post #60
LucidLynx wrote: post #38

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I tend to disagree here... Based on the documentation from Apple, they are waiting to get *several* matches, *not only one* (we don't know what is *several* but I don't expect something like If yes, after the manual process, the authorities are called.

Hypothetically, what happens if a viral event should persuade people to mass upload these images? Would Apple ad hoc modify their review protocol?

you mean like how people got so fed up with ToS-mandated arbitration that they all decided to file motions simultaneously

it worked that time...

Re: Tell HN: Dont upload these images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn

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Post by zepto »

post_break wrote: post #61
zepto wrote: post #17

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> Dont upload these harmless images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn (CSAM) This is not true. They may match the hash, but the will not match the visual derivative. The system is not as easily fooled as you think.

We've learned from YouTube how well matching content works well. Apple will be better right? Right?

Yes. We know that it is based on the papers explaining how it works.

Re: Tell HN: Dont upload these images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn

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Post by zepto »

threatofrain wrote: post #60
LucidLynx wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to disagree here... Based on the documentation from Apple, they are waiting to get *several* matches, *not only one* (we don't know what is *several* but I don't expect something like If yes, after the manual process, the authorities are called.

Hypothetically, what happens if a viral event should persuade people to mass upload these images? Would Apple ad hoc modify their review protocol?

Nothing because these files won’t trigger a match.

Re: Tell HN: Dont upload these images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn

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Post by yreg »

post_break wrote: post #63
yreg wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "hell breaking loose"? /r/Apple talks about this topic a lot and, similar to HN, is not happy about it. This drive link brings very little additional light to what was already known and discussed.

The sub is in crisis mode right now. Normally a huge pro-apple even on their worst days do no wrong sub. Right now people are pissed and speaking up. The mods are pissed that they have to deal with it (boo hoo). Anything to add fuel to this fire is good in my eyes because the same people who said "It's ok I have nothing to hide" from Edward Snowdens work are getting slapped in the face for their same ideology to this…

>"It's ok I have nothing to hide"

I don't remember that ever being a popular take on reddit.

But still, how do you know it's "the same people"? There are a lot of users who hold all kind of opinions.

Re: Tell HN: Dont upload these images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn

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Post by post_break »

yreg wrote: post #68
post_break wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sub is in crisis mode right now. Normally a huge pro-apple even on their worst days do no wrong sub. Right now people are pissed and speaking up. The mods are pissed that they have to deal with it (boo hoo). Anything to add fuel to this fire is good in my eyes because the same people who said "It's ok I have nothing to hide" from Edward Snowdens work are getting slapped in the face for their same ideology to this…

>"It's ok I have nothing to hide" I don't remember that ever being a popular take on reddit. But still, how do you know it's "the same people"? There are a lot of users who hold all kind of opinions.

I guess I meant that figuratively. The same genre of people who thought prism is ok because they have nothing to hide to give up privacy are now the same genre that think this privacy invasion is ok as well.
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